Obama should be fired. He is the worst President we have ever had.

Should the General be fired?

According to UCMJ the answer is yes.
It is a shame however that one gets fired for being honest.

I'd like to see an expanded dialogue on the comments attributed to the General and his aides. It would be ironic if the statements made, were correct.

It's easy to play blame games. However, if this information is true, the officers concerned should taken to task. I'm on the fence about whether he should be fired - depends on what the investigation turns up.

Clowns,incompetent,clueless,all the truth.NO! the General should not be fired.
And Mags,I completely agree with you.He's the worst ever.And SHAME on me,I actually voted for this imbecile

Tillman mother sought to warn Obama of McChrystal


Source: Politico

June 22, 2010

Tillman mother sought to warn Obama of McChrystal

The mother of the slain football player and Army Ranger Pat Tillman sought to warn President Obama against making General Stanley McChrystal his commander in Afghanistan.

Mary Tillman said in an unpublished interview this year that she wrote to Obama and called Senators and members of Congress seeking to block McChrystal's appointment when she learned that he was under consideration for the post. ("She received no response to the letter")

She called the lack of deliberation leading to his appointment "disgusting" in the interview, given before today's Rolling Stone article http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236 spurred intense tension between the general and the White House. An audio recording of the interview was provided to POLITICO by the interviewer, who asked to remain anonymous.

McChrystal has been accused of involvement in covering up of the fact that Tillman had been shot by his own comrades, having approved a citation for a posthumous medal that attributed his death to "enemy fire," though the general also penned a memo warning the White House against describing the circumstance of Tillman's death for fear of future embarrassment.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0610/Tillman_mot...

He has to obey the chain of command. As much as WE as citizens can freely voice our opinions and justified dissatisfaction, as General, he should be doing so in private and not in public. He probably should be let go.

The General Should not resign or be forced to resign.

According to joe klein he resigned already

from rawstory: http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0622/report-general-mcchrystal-tenders-resignation/

He has to obey the chain of command. As much as WE as citizens can freely voice our opinions and justified dissatisfaction, as General, he should be doing so in private and not in public. He probably should be let go.

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Mike G. is absolutely right.

The Generals against Rummy and Dummy Bush were retired before publicly going against them.

Military 101: Even a General does not have access to a president.

The chain of command ends with the Secretary of Defense who in this case would be Gates.

IMO Obama should fire the General "BUT HE WONT"!

"PLEASE BRING BACK BUSH"

Gen. Stanley McChrystal and Aids

"PLEASE BRING BACK BUSH"


US ARMY, US NAVY, US AIR FORCE, US MARINES, US COAST GUARD, US RESERVE FORCES, US NATIONAL GUARD and BOY and GIRL SCOUTS of AMERICA

"It is a shame however that one gets fired for being honest"


It was basically said that the entire White House and present Administration are a bunch of whimps. After their demonstration during the last 17 months, Where is there room for this not to be dead on accurate??? Just ask our world-wide enemies!

Generals Speak Out Against Rumsfeld
DoD Determines US Foreign Policy, PERIOD!!! Congress is SUPERFLUOUS!!! The only thing to FEAR, is NOT ENOUGH FEAR.

"We went to war with a flawed plan that didn't account for the hard work to build the peace after we took down the regime. We also served under a secretary of defense who didn't understand leadership, who was abusive, who was arrogant, who didn't build a strong team."
-- Retired Army Maj. Gen. John Batiste.

"My sincere view is that the commitment of our forces to this fight was done with a casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions -- or bury the results."
-- Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold.

"They only need the military advice when it satisfies their agenda. I think that's a mistake, and that's why I think he should resign."
-- Retired Army Maj. Gen. John Riggs.

"We grow up in a culture where accountability, learning to accept responsibility, admitting mistakes and learning from them was critical to us. When we don't see that happening it worries us. Poor military judgment has been used throughout this mission."
-- Retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former chief of U.S. Central Command.

"I really believe that we need a new secretary of defense because Secretary Rumsfeld carries way too much baggage with him. ... I think we need senior military leaders who understand the principles of war and apply them ruthlessly, and when the time comes, they need to call it like it is."
-- Retired Army Maj. Gen. Charles Swannack.

"He has shown himself incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically, and is far more than anyone responsible for what has happened to our important mission in Iraq. ... Mr. Rumsfeld must step down."
-- Retired Army Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton.

Perfect security is Not attainable at any price!!!
STAR WARS & other MISSILE DEFENSE for a Trillion Dollars may stop 8 atomic war heads, but 2 will still hit their mark.

What can be achieved besides mutually assured destruction, is BANKRUPTING the US TREASURY.
-- Retired Army General Wesley K. Clark, former Supreme Allied Commander Europe. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
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Why Iraq Was a Mistake
By Lt. General GREGORY NEWBOLD, Retired
http://tinyurl.com/p4j93 Apr. 09, 2006
From 2000 until October 2002, I was a Marine Corps lieutenant general and director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. After 9/11, I was a witness and therefore a party to the actions that led us to the invasion of Iraq--an unnecessary war.

Inside the military family, I made no secret of my view that the zealots' rationale for war made no sense. And I think I was outspoken enough to make those senior to me uncomfortable.

But I now regret that I did not more openly challenge those who were determined to invade a country whose actions were peripheral to the real threat--al-Qaeda.

I retired from the military four months before the invasion, in part because of my opposition to those who had used 9/11's tragedy to hijack our security policy. Until now, I have resisted speaking out in public. I've been silent long enough.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1181629,00.html

General Eaton's Letter to President Bush on Veto
May 1, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/2umrln

Dear Mr. President,
Today, in your veto message regarding the bipartisan legislation just passed on Operation Iraqi Freedom, you asserted that you so decided because you listen to your commanders on the ground.
Respectfully, as your former commander on the ground, your administration did not listen to our best advice. In fact, a number of my fellow Generals were forced out of their jobs, because they did not tell you what you wanted to hear -- most notably General Eric Shinseki, whose foresight regarding troop levels was advice you rejected, at our troops' peril. http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/11973

America's Angriest General John Batiste
http://tinyurl.com/2jjohc May 10, 2007

Retired two-star Army Gen. John Batiste is lashing out at the Bush war in Iraq in ads targeting key Republicans up for re-election in 2008. His offensive may change the rules regarding civilian-military relations.

"Mr. President, you did not listen," he says. "You continue to pursue a failed strategy that is breaking our Army and Marine Corps."
The ad is scheduled to air from May 10 to 18, targeting Republican Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), John Sununu (New Hampshire), John Warner (Virginia) and Norm Coleman (Minnesota), and 10 GOP House members, including Mary Bono, Phil English, Randy Kuhl, Jim Walsh and Heather Wilson.
http://blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/Week-of-Mon-20070507/062290.html

General Zinni They Screwed Up
http://tinyurl.com/yr2bq May 21, 2004

(CBS) Retired General Anthony Zinni is one of the most respected and outspoken military leaders of the past two decades.

From 1997 to 2000, he was commander-in-chief of the United States Central Command, in charge of all American troops in the Middle East. That was the same job held by Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf before him, and Gen. Tommy Franks after.

But Zinni broke ranks with the administration over the war in Iraq, and now, in his harshest criticism yet, he says senior officials at the Pentagon are guilty of dereliction of duty -- and that the time has come for heads to roll.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/21/60minutes/main618896.shtml

General Anthony Zinni, USMC, (Ret.) Remarks at CDI Board of Directors Dinner, May 12, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/8ldmo

I think the first mistake that was made was misjudging the success of containment. I heard the president say, not too long ago, I believe it was with the interview with Tim Russert that ... I'm not sure ... but at some point I heard him say that "containment did not work." That's not true.

So to say containment didn't work, I think is not only wrong from the experiences we had then, but the proof is in the pudding, in what kind of military our troops faced when we went in there.

The third mistake, I think was one we repeated from Vietnam, we had to create a false rationale for going in to get public support. The books were cooked, in my mind. The intelligence was not there. I testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee one month before the war, and Senator Lugar asked me: "General Zinni, do you feel the threat from Saddam Hussein is imminent?" I said: "No, not at all. It was not an imminent threat. Not even close. Not grave, gathering, imminent, serious, severe, mildly upsetting, none of those."
http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm?documentid=2208&from_page=../index.cfm

Judging by his comments, it would appear that General McCrystal is more comfortable in his alliance and dealings with Karzai whom everyone knows is more corrupt that he is an ally- than "standing up" or "resigning" the commission he was given or executing. Showing by example, the leadership befitting a Commander representing the US of A.
AMERICA MUST ASK ITSELF IF IT DETECTS IN ITS GENERALS WHO ARE OBLIGATED TO PROTECT US- EVEN A SINGLE SHRED OF INSUBORDINATION, COMPLIANCE OR ALLEGIANCE TO A KARZAI GOVERNMENT FILLED WITH DESPICABLE PARTNERSHIPS THAT OPENLY SUPPORTS INCLUSION OF THE TALIBAN OR AND OTHER INSURGIENT GROUP

Since McCrystal, has already opined his darkest regrets about "his" own plan, and one that follows the directives and battleplan schemes of his own superior Gerneral Petreaus. Noting that the position that "he" now finds himself in is untenable, as it will reflect on "him"- makes "him" and not our soldiers,...
...corrupt Karzai, and not our nation as "his" prime concerns.
Sadly, this mans courage, dedication, and modus must be questioned. Was this untimely disclosure a message meant to give comfort to Karzai, or the enemy? Was it meant to convey the message to us that there would be no favorable outcome under "him", without a decade or more of desperation, occupation and trillions in resources that will be denied our own people during the period of time that our government and private industry are choking us from the inside? THAT AL QAEDA REMARK PARELLELING ARKANSAS AND BAPTIST CHURCHES- WAS PRICELESS! but, it summed up the utter futility of a military and a mission that refuses to address the primary source of terror and terrorist funding.
And once questioned, McCrystal must be summarily removed from his position in high command. Let him stand on the side, in an advisory capacity but, nothing more.
Right or not in his accessment the damage this man has done, to the military to execute "the" mission with credibility, is gone- finished, kaput, unless someone does what was expected from the mission, sans Afghanistan, a whole 9yrs ago.
THE MISSION- JUST IN CASE ANY OF YOU HAVE FORGOTTTEN WAS TO ELIMINATE THE HEADS OF AL QAEDA, IN ORDER TO MORE FULLY CUT OFF THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT FUELS THE INSURGIENCIES THAT MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR ACTIONS THAT REIGN TERROR THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

McChrystal Out, Petraeus In, Yet Buffoonish Commander-In-Chief Remains:

2010 June 23


After expressing grave misgivings about his dawdling, unserious, greenhorn Commander-in-Chief’s policies, Gen. Stanley McChrystal is history.

In a sensational Rolling Stone interview appropriately titled “The Runaway General,” McChrystal and his staffers were quite right to be critical of President Obama’s non-strategy for not winning the war in Afghanistan, but in a constitutional republic propriety requires that top generals keep their mouths (and the mouths of their aides) shut in public. Rolling Stone has a long history of blindly opposing war in general so it seems reasonable to assume the magazine went with the article in an effort to undermine America’s war effort. Longtime leftist Jann Wenner, founder of the magazine, wouldn’t have it any other way.

McChrystal’s first meeting with Obama was a disaster. Obama clearly didn’t give a farthing’s cuss about the general or about the conduct of the war. “It was a 10-minute photo op,” said a McChrystal aide. “Obama clearly didn’t know anything about him, who he was. Here’s the guy who’s going to run his f***ing war, but he didn’t seem very engaged. The Boss was pretty disappointed.”

Last fall as McChrystal urged Obama to ramp up the Afghanistan war and send more troops Obama began a three-month review to meet with MoveOn and his paymaster George Soros re-consider his strategy for ensuring U.S. defeat in Afghanistan. “I found that time painful,” the general told Rolling Stone.

Reading the article closely, it’s not so much what the general himself said but rather what Team McChrystal said. Presumably the man surrounds himself with people who are onboard with him and who more or less reflect his views about the situation in Afghanistan.

Unless McChrystal is a complete logorrheic goober who just opens his mouth and allows his thoughts to escape Tourette’s Syndrome-style –I suspect he is not– then this must be deliberate on his part.

As Freud would say, McChrystal wanted to be fired because he didn’t want to be a part of a losing non-strategy. If so he got his wish. The general quite properly tendered his resignation to President Obama and Obama accepted it. Reports indicate Obama has selected Gen. David Petraeus to succeed McChrystal as supreme commander in the Afghanistan/Pakistan theater of war.

Iran on war alert over "US and Israeli concentrations" in Azerbaijan:

June 23, 2010

In a rare move, Iran has declared a state of war on its northwestern border, debkafile's military and Iranian sources report. Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps men and equipment units are being massed in the Caspian Sea region against what Tehran claims are US and Israeli forces concentrated on army and air bases in Azerbaijan ready to strike Iran's nuclear facilities.
The announcement came on Tuesday, June 22 from Brig.-Gen Mehdi Moini of the Revolutionary Guards (IRGC), commander of the forces tasked with "repelling" this American-Israeli offensive. He said: "The mobilization is due to the presence of American and Israeli forces on the western border," adding, "Reinforcements are being dispatched to West Azerbaijan Province because some western countries are fueling ethnic conflicts to destabilize the situation in the region."

In the past, Iranian officials have spoken of US and Israel attacks in general terms. debkafile's Iranian sources note that this is the first time that a specific location was mentioned and large reinforcements dispatched to give the threat substance.

Other Iranian sources report that in the last few days, Israel has secretly transferred a large number of bomber jets to bases in Azerbaijan, via Georgia, and that American special forces are also concentrated in Azerbaijan in preparation for a strike.

No comment has come from Azerbaijan about any of these reports. Iranian Azerbaijan, the destination of the Revolutionary Guards forces reinforcements, borders on Turkey, Iraq and Armenia. Witnesses say long IRGC convoys of tanks, artillery, anti-aircraft units and infantry are seen heading up the main highways to Azerbaijan and then further north to the Caspian Sea.

On Tuesday, June 22, Dr. Uzi Arad, head of Israel's National Security Council and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's closest adviser, said "The latest round of UN Security Council sanctions on Iran is inadequate for thwarting its nuclear progress. A preemptive military strike might eventually be necessary."

debkafile's intelligence and Iranian sources point to three other developments as setting off Iran's war alert:
1. A certain (limited) reinforcement of American and Israeli forces has taken place in Azerbaijan. Neither Washington nor Jerusalem has ever acknowledged a military presence in this country that borders on Iran, but Western intelligence sources say that both keep a wary eye on the goings-on inside Iran from electronic surveillance bases in that country.
2. Iran feels moved to respond to certain US steps: The arrival of the USS Harry S. Truman Strike Group in the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea and its war games with France and Israel, which included live-fire bombing practices against targets in Iran.
3. The execution of Abdolmalek Rigi, head of the Sunni Baluchi rebel organization (including the Iranian Baluchis), on June 20 was intended as a deterrent for Iran's other minorities. Instead, they are more restive than ever. Several Azeri breakaway movements operate in Iranian Azerbaijan in combination with their brethren across the border. Tehran decided a substantial buildup in the province would serve as a timely measure against possible upheavals.

Obama Needs to Find His Inner W.

Now that Obama has picked Bush’s general, he should replicate Bush’s stalwart style.

June 25, 2010 12:00 A.M.



To succeed in Afghanistan, we’ll need the support of the likes of Abdul Sattar Abu Risha. He was the daring tribal sheik in Anbar province whose pivot against al-Qaeda in the summer of 2006 began to turn the Iraq War.

He marshaled other tribal leaders in what grew into a nationwide anti-al-Qaeda movement. Sattar acted knowing that the Americans had his back. “Instead of telling [the Iraqis] that we would leave soon and they must assume responsibility for their own security,” Col. Sean MacFarland, who worked with Sattar, has explained, “we told them that we would stay as long as necessary to defeat the terrorists.”

Sattar trusted Pres. George W. Bush and admired him “for sticking to his principles despite public opinion.” All of this is recounted in the new book on the Anbar revolt, A Chance in Hell, by Jim Michaels. As Mark Moyar writes in a review in the Wall Street Journal, it was only by winning the confidence of elites like Sattar — who was killed in September 2007 — that we had a chance to win over the Iraqi population.

What would Sattar have made of Pres. Barack Obama, who has set a deadline of July 2011 for the beginning of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, and of Vice President Joe Biden, who guaranteed in a Newsweek interview — “Bet. On. It.” — that there will be large numbers of troops leaving by then? We know what Afghan president Hamid Karzai thinks — that he’d better explore an accommodation with his enemies well before any helicopters leave the U.S. embassy rooftop.

Obama implicitly promised a departure from the bumptious ways of George W. Bush as commander-in-chief. Where Bush was stubborn, he’d be flexible; where Bush was unconditional, he’d be nuanced; where Bush went all in, he’d avoid overcommitting. But ambivalence doesn’t play well in a war zone, especially in a war of insurgency that’s partly a contest over staying power.

If Obama’s July 2011 deadline showcased his deliberative care as the honorary faculty chairman of national-security meetings, it played disastrously in Afghanistan. In sacking Rolling Stone subject Gen. Stanley McChrystal and replacing him with Gen. David Petraeus, Obama has a chance to hit “reset.” But only if he finds his inner cowboy.

There’s no way the Afghan equivalent of Sattar sitting somewhere on the outskirts of Kandahar can know Obama’s intentions when members of Obama’s council of war don’t know them. Biden says July 2011 marks the start of major withdrawals; secretary of defense Robert Gates disagrees. Who’s to say?

To put the severity of a hard July 2011 deadline in perspective, the last unit of the surge Obama ordered last December won’t arrive in Afghanistan until toward the end of the year. The deadline gives the fully surged forces all of six months to operate, in an environment Petraeus says is more difficult than Iraq.

Obama should redefine the deadline as the time frame for a review of the current strategy rather than its endpoint. If it’s not working, then he can reconsider. Until then, he should shut down the rancorous internal debate within his administration and maintain the same firm tone he struck in his excellent Rose Garden remarks upon McChrystal’s departure.

His left might not like it, but they won’t berate him as a “chicken hawk,” as they did with Bush, or flail his chosen commanding general as “General Betray Us,” as MoveOn.org did during the Iraq surge.

Besides, his base isn’t his target audience. As President Bush always said, there were four key audiences during the Iraq War — the American public, the troops, our Iraq allies, and the enemy. “The enemy thinks that we are weak,” he said in a candid White House interview during a low point of the surge. “They’re sophisticated people, and they listen to the debate.”

That’s just as true of the enemy in Afghanistan. Now that Obama has picked Bush’s general, he should replicate his stalwart style.

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