"He was shot in the back while he lay face-down. Mehserle claims he
mistakenly drew his gun instead of his Taser"And he was going to taser him even though he "was"already lying face down ?

robert Excellent point very well taken.

Police and Firefighters have a very strenuous and tough job and should be the highest paid but are not.

Same goes for our Military.

Sorry a bit off topic.

Cas:
Talk about reverse of fortune,heres a morsel for you:

"Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas is reportedly outraged and may be heading down to New Orleans after his nephew, Derek Thomas, was punched and tasered at a Louisiana hospital after refusing to put on a gown.


Derek Thomas may have been admitted after a possible suicide attempt and suffered a “massive seizure.” When he refused to put on the gown and attempted to leave, he was reportedly punched by a security guard who also pulled out some of his hair. He was then tasered.

Derek is the son of Justice Thomas’ late younger brother Myer Lee Thomas and is a student at Nicholls State College.

It is an ironic twist given Thomas’ staunch voting record in favor of law enforcement interests and against the rights of people accused in criminal cases. In Safford v. Redding, for example, Thomas dismissed the claims of abuse stemming from the strip searching of a middle school girl to look for Ibuprofen. Thomas was the lone dissenter to claim that the search was both justified and the officials deserved both immunity and praise. He insisted the “[p]reservation of order, discipline, and safety in public schools is simply not the domain of the Constitution. And, common sense is not a judicial monopoly or a Constitutional imperative.”

Likewise, Thomas was not exactly sympathetic when citizens complained about being searched for fleeing from police. While not a hospital scene like that of his nephew, Thomas joined in the decision in Justice Thomas joined the Court’s decision in Illinois v. Wardlow when the Court held that running away from officers is the basis for reasonable suspicion and a search."

First, the blue wall. Then, the DA and the cops, in small towns, know each other and take care of each other.

Cops, most kids today in a uniform and a gun, are condescending to the public that they work for, and cops have turned around 180 degrees the relationship with the public. Years ago, before 1970 approximately, the cops worked until they were 65 years old and didn't make much money like everybody else. The old timers used their mouth to deal with situations and trained the rookies. Today there are trigger happy cops who should be in the military, not policing the American citizens. Public service was an honor and a privilege. Today, these kid cops--it is 20 years, OT abuse, and benefits galore, and then on to the next public service job and the next pension.

p.S. Before 1970 the United States was considered "civilized," and citizens were not considered the enemy, nor was everybody a terrorist. The cops knew the people and their beat, and the cops were RESPECTED and grew old with the public they patrolled. Infact, most cops were not even seen, but called--telephoned by the public-- when needed, if needed, because people--American CITIZENS--handled matters before they were overblown and more respect between adults and between everybody. In fact, if a cop was called, someone must of died back then. Such deaths were very few back then, as well as missing children, but today it is commonplace in the United States that these crimes occur and there are children galore missing0--in the United States. Back then THAT ONLY HAPPENED IN SOUTH AMERICA OR FOREIGN COUNTRIES.

Today, a wet-behind- the-ears kid in a uniform and a gun talks down to elderly and is telling older Americans what is and isn't, disrepecting an adult lifetime experience.

This kid COP gets his 20 year pension with benefits galore on the hard working public, many for the minimum wage with nothing,(and the cop doesn't want to rock the boat toward the end of his 20 years of Wyat-Urp employment--just punch the clock) then moves into the country, down to Florida or out west--the usual patterns, DISPLACING AND FORCING THE RAISING OF THE TAXES OF THE OLDER AMERICANS WHO LIVED THERE ALL THEIR LIVES WORKING FOR PEANUTS, WHICH MANY CANNOT PAY THE TAXES TODAY, WHICH WERE RAISED BECAUSE OF THESE INTERLOPERS AND WERE FORCED TO SELL, ETC.

The cops usually know most of the attorneys and lawyers, on and off working hours, and of course take care of each other, in and out of the system of the organization and administration of local county, state, etc. governments. That is called politics, and the people have very little, or no power, unless they can hire a high priced attorney, who takes care of select citizens, otherwise it is the public defender who, for most, is in that job to learn the ropes of the system of who is who and then on to private practice AND THE BIG BUCKS.

The DA, of course knows the cops and the lawyers, and they are all buddy- buddy. The DA thinks he is needed more than ever when his case load is big-ger and big-ger.

When if you think about it, what is the DA doing--revolving door criminals and higher crime rates--that the People that he works for commit more and more crimes to survive.

All interrelated.

Gail,may I say BINGO!!

"have turned around 180 degrees the relationship with the public. Years ago, before 1970 approximately, the cops worked until they were 65 years old and didn't make much money like everybody else. The old timers used their mouth to deal with situations and trained the rookies"
And for the most part the policeman "knew"the people on his beat.

"Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas is reportedly outraged and may be heading down to New Orleans after his nephew, Derek Thomas, was punched and tasered at a Louisiana hospital after refusing to put on a gown.

robert thanks.

Truth Be Told the Supreme Court is just as corrupt as Wall Street and Congress.

The Supreme Court are the protectors of the wealthiest few.

Sad but true IMO.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

Fred:Even 60 years ago there was gold at the end of that illegal crossing and the reasons why they took place.
"Profits from illegal labor led to the kind of corruption that apparently worried Eisenhower. Joseph White, a retired 21-year veteran of the Border Patrol, says that in the early 1950s, some senior US officials overseeing immigration enforcement "had friends among the ranchers," and agents "did not dare" arrest their illegal workers."

p.S. THE NEW YORK POST FRONT PAGE!

For EACH $1 a city worker (COPS) contributes to his benefits, pension, the taxpayer pays $8.(and change).

These city workers--cops--are robbing from everybody.

Also, city workers include lots of other occupations.

"These city workers--cops--are robbing from everybody." Amen.

My husband and I have a few friends who were cops. They put in a ton of overtime hours after 9-11, then retired the next year. Their retirement pay is based on their last year of service.

We also know a train conductor who did the same thing for the same reason.

p.S. The New York Post on 7/11/10

RETIRE-MINT

Even as their own retirement plans shrink or disappear taxpayers will fork over $7.6 billion this year to back up rock-solid city-employee pensions.

TEACHERS HAVE THE SWEETEST DEAL: IN 2009 THEY PAID JUST $1 INTO THE SYSTEM FOR EVERY $15.50 KICKED IN BY TAXPAYERS!
FIREFIGHTERS $10 TO $1 POLICE $9.13 to $1, SANITATION TRANSIT AND OTHER $5.60 TO $1

CITY TAXPAYERS FOOT 90% OF MUNICIPAL PENSIONS! STATE? AND FEDERAL?

Was this a serious question, as if anyone believes they don't get preferential treatment?

Cops do want they want, to whom they want, when they want and the only thing that possibly keeps some of them in check is the fact that they know somebody might be filming them - Thank God for cell phone videos. Other cops will do all they can to protect their own criminal element within the ranks, if they think they can.

That's only too obvious by the New Orleans murder cover-up that was almost successful until the Feds did their own investigation of cops murdering 2 and wounding 4 other after Katrina.

They have a serious PR problem that they brought onto themselves by hiring young kids who were often the bully in school who thinks a badge and gun gives him power to order people around at whim. Disobey and get tasered, or worse - shot dead. They are only too eager to fire their weapon at another human being.

I'm white and 51. I can't imagine this cop getting anything less than a murder conviction. Oscar Grant was no saint, but what I saw in the videos was an execution and there was absolutely no reason he needed to be tased in the first place. I don't doubt he mouthed off at the cop and pissed him off.

Know too, a taser and a weapon have two different and unique safety mechanisms, and the weapons are kept on two different areas of the body. There is no way he could have believed he was about to taser Grant.

The problem lies with the prosecution, who charged a class A felony/ premeditated murder. Jury couldnt convict on it.

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