This incident had NOTHING to do with the gun, as guns are inanimate objects. This murderous rampage did however have EVERYTHING to do with the fragile mind of a member of our society, whom the media had brainwashed and spoonfed a steady diet of "bad whitey", because ALL of life's problems can be "blamed on whitey". The stereotypical "bad white guy" character is omnipresent in the media. This man obviously had psychological problems to begin with, but the media served up a villain that he could blame for ALL of his life's troubles. This guy's head was so full of that rubbish, he was probably checking under his bed for "white racists".

If the truth be told, you didn't seriously pose the question: "CT Shooting Rampage: Too Many Guns Or Not Enough?" My guess is that you guys just need to stir the pot, in order to get people to comment. Why not ask the question: "Black on White Racism: Ignored by the mainstream media?"

I know that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." But...the gun HELPS. The loss of life would most certainly have been lesser if guns were not involved. And yes, the real question here is racism in America...how much of it is imagined and how much of it real. Because, either way, racism is what fueled this despicable act...not gun control issues.

IS IT TIME TO GROW-"up" or STAY "MAD" ???

One too many? Eight too few? Hmmmm...
...and that was just for this "specific" incident.
Let's see- Statistics show that there is presently one armed person for every twelve individuals not just in relation to this country but, for every person on this entire planet.
We know for fact that most gun owners in this country "own multiples" some even have "arsenels" that would require in cases they like the CT shooter, the deployment of whole tactical units, helicopters, with ridiculous amounts of fire power in order to bring a similar situation to order.
And, ...that even in those successful operations "the innocent" may be compromised in the crossfires for what high command deems the greater common or strategic good. THAT SUCKS!

Hmmmmm! How is it that we as a society, or individuals level the playing field?
Should we arm the other 260million? *Remember that since children in schools have been the greatest disproportionate number of victims in these mass murder scenerios- can we afford to take our chances and leave them unarmed when they are not in our presence? CAN YOU AFFORD TO TRUST "ALL" AUTHORITY FIGURES WITH YOUR CHILDREN?
****Aaaaah heck, better yet- who is going to figure out the best way to arm an "unborn fetus" so that they may be best able to protect themselves against their possible assailant's?

Or, ...maybe we should just beat those big profit $$$ weapons into "plow $hares", which can be just as profitable and even more in stimulating this economy.
Stoners don't get mad, and go off stockpiling and hoarding munitions. They're content and too broke,
...from buying "munchies" and laughing at the wholely self-serving MSM methodology to pit the rabid gun side of the equation against those who find the whole need for possession simply ludacris. With each talking head [depending on the network and how gun advertisement affects their bottom lines] skewing their presentations w/ situations and "holier than thou" pontifications and pollings satire that serve no purpose in a "free" America. It's not that I don't have my own biases on the subject that can be almost immediately discerned without question but, ...

How about this idea for your next bumper sticker.
"WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING GOV'T, "GUNS" ARE THE BEST METHOD TO INSURE THAT YOU CAN BLOW AWAY- "YOUR MIND", ...AS WELL AS OTHERS."

Does anyone want to concede that the outcome might be different- if employers were authorized to provide to the fired employee a prescription dose of "medical marijuana" or another form of sedative, and a free ride home, along with his/her pink slip?

What do you think would happen if we sent American Indian chieftains with the gift of a peace pipe as our envoys to a pow wow session with al Qaeda ?
Who thinks that the al Qaeda would refuse the curious offering? Who thinks that Al Qaeda woundn't be interested in their point of view? Who wants to venture whether or not they would "inhale"?
Would both sides end up rolling on the floor laughing their asses off at mankinds ultimate stupiditys?

Just wondering-

IS IT TIME TO GROW-"up" or STAY "MAD" ???

One too many? Eight too few? Hmmmm...
...and that was just for this "specific" incident.
Let's see- Statistics show that there is presently one armed person for every twelve individuals not just in relation to this country but, for every person on this entire planet.
We know for fact that most gun owners in this country "own multiples" some even have "arsenels" that would require in cases they like the CT shooter, the deployment of whole tactical units, helicopters, with ridiculous amounts of fire power in order to bring a similar situation to order.
And, ...that even in those successful operations "the innocent" may be compromised in the crossfires for what high command deems the greater common or strategic good. THAT SUCKS!

Hmmmmm! How is it that we as a society, or individuals level the playing field?
Should we arm the other 260million? *Remember that since children in schools have been the greatest disproportionate number of victims in these mass murder scenerios- can we afford to take our chances and leave them unarmed when they are not in our presence? CAN YOU AFFORD TO TRUST "ALL" AUTHORITY FIGURES WITH YOUR CHILDREN?
****Aaaaah heck, better yet- who is going to figure out the best way to arm an "unborn fetus" so that they may be best able to protect themselves against their own possible "disgruntled" carrier or assailant?

Or, ...maybe we should just beat those big profit $$$ weapons into "plow $hares", which can be just as profitable and even more in stimulating this economy.
Stoners don't get mad, and go off stockpiling and hoarding munitions. They're content and too broke,
...from buying "munchies" and laughing at the wholely self-serving MSM methodology to pit the rabid gun side of the equation against those who find the whole need for possession simply ludacris. With each talking head [depending on the network and how gun advertisement affects their bottom lines] skewing their presentations w/ situations and "holier than thou" pontifications and pollings satire that serve no purpose in a "free" America. It's not that I don't have my own biases on the subject that can be almost immediately discerned without question but, ...

How about this idea for your next bumper sticker.
"WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING GOV'T, "GUNS" ARE THE BEST METHOD TO INSURE THAT YOU CAN BLOW AWAY- "YOUR MIND", ...AS WELL AS OTHERS."

Does anyone want to concede that the outcome might be different- if employers were authorized to provide to the fired employee a prescription dose of "medical marijuana" or another form of sedative, and a free ride home, along with his/her pink slip?

What do you think would happen if we sent American Indian chieftains with the gift of a peace pipe as our envoys to a pow wow session with al Qaeda ?
Who thinks that the al Qaeda would refuse the curious offering? Who thinks that Al Qaeda woundn't be interested in their point of view? Who wants to venture whether or not they would "inhale"?
Would both sides end up rolling on the floor laughing their asses off at mankinds ultimate stupiditys?

Just wondering-

IS IT TIME TO GROW-"up" or STAY "MAD" ???

One too many? Eight too few? Hmmmm...
...and that was just for this "specific" incident.
Let's see- Statistics show that there is presently one armed person for every twelve individuals not just in relation to this country but, for every person on this entire planet.
We know for fact that most gun owners in this country "own multiples" some even have "arsenels" that would require in cases they like the CT shooter, the deployment of whole tactical units, helicopters, with ridiculous amounts of fire power in order to bring a similar situation to order.
And, ...that even in those successful operations "the innocent" may be compromised in the crossfires for what high command deems the greater common or strategic good. THAT SUCKS!

Hmmmmm! How is it that we as a society, or individuals level the playing field?
Should we arm the other 260million? *Remember that since children in schools have been the greatest disproportionate number of victims in these mass murder scenerios- can we afford to take our chances and leave them unarmed when they are not in our presence? CAN YOU AFFORD TO TRUST "ALL" AUTHORITY FIGURES WITH YOUR CHILDREN?
****Aaaaah heck, better yet- who is going to figure out the best way to arm an "unborn fetus" so that they may be best able to protect themselves against their possible assailant's?

Or, ...maybe we should just beat those big profit $$$ weapons into "plow $hares", which can be just as profitable and even more in stimulating this economy.
Stoners don't get mad, and go off stockpiling and hoarding munitions. They're content and too broke,
...from buying "munchies" and laughing at the wholely self-serving MSM methodology to pit the rabid gun side of the equation against those who find the whole need for possession simply ludacris. With each talking head [depending on the network and how gun advertisement affects their bottom lines] skewing their presentations w/ situations and "holier than thou" pontifications and pollings satire that serve no purpose in a "free" America. It's not that I don't have my own biases on the subject that can be almost immediately discerned without question but, ...

How about this idea for your next bumper sticker.
"WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING GOV'T, "GUNS" ARE THE BEST METHOD TO INSURE THAT YOU CAN BLOW AWAY- "YOUR MIND", ...AS WELL AS OTHERS."

Does anyone want to concede that the outcome might be different- if employers were authorized to provide to the fired employee a prescription dose of "medical marijuana" or another form of sedative, and a free ride home, along with his/her pink slip?

What do you think would happen if we sent American Indian chieftains with the gift of a peace pipe as our envoys to a pow wow session with al Qaeda ?
Who thinks that the al Qaeda would refuse the curious offering? Who thinks that Al Qaeda woundn't be interested in their point of view? Who wants to venture whether or not they would "inhale"?
Would both sides end up rolling on the floor laughing their asses off at mankinds ultimate stupiditys? ---> WEAPONS, FEARMONGERING & RACISM["inferred", "intentional", "irrational" and "imbred"] ...and just for the record there is no such thing as a "justifiable" racism defense.

Just wondering- Hmmmmmmmm!

A bill for healthcare aid for 9/11 first responders? Republicans blasted it, not because it wasn't funded, but because it WAS funded, by a provision that would close a loophole that piece-of-crap companies had been using to cheat on their taxes.

Meanwhile, a bill that passed easily let people in bankruptcy keep their most essential possession, their sacred Uzis. Not something useful, but a useless piece of crap with the sole function of splintering bone and pulping vital internal organs. Ideologues are turning politicians into bizarre travesties.

OK, I'm on a roll now, so...

Tea partiers say Obama is a socialist because he tried to bring about healthcare for all. I don't get the "logic" of that argument; if he had pushed for Medicare-for-all the socialism argument could have made a smidgen of sense. But instead Obama, in his compromises with Republicans, gave private insurers millions of new customers, a big boon for the private sector, and hardly socialist. So were the hearty partiers reassured that Obama can't be a socialist when he put this Republican idea of mandated purchase of private insurance into the bill? Of course not! Obama has to be BOTH a socialist AND a fascist, or what would they have to gripe about? The purpose of the right is to destroy the left. And so we have Breitbart's careful editing of the Sherrod talk, making it look like she was a racist while this woman whose father had been murdered by a klansman showed that society has to be non-racist to survive in any worthwhile way.

We have an ACORN worker pumping the conservatively-dressed people who were talking about sex-slave activities, and calling the police as soon as the couple left (to change into their ludicrous costumes for a staged walk-up-the-steps clip that suggested they were dressed that way during the interview.)

Someone in this forum asked what mean-spirited words and actions is it that Obama is sniveling about? Show me more than a handful of righties who aren't doing or saying mean-spirited things lately. Target Stores gave $150k to Minnesota governor's race aspirant, far-right Republican Rep Tom Emmer, a man who wants to abolish the minimum wage and who contributed to a fringe group that condoned the EXECUTION of gays.

Oh, no, there's nothing mean-spirited here. Can you beat the gall of those righties who say Obama's trying to bring Sharia law to the US, when it's THEIR murderous rage and staggering cruelty that guides their every action? This virus of hatred, ever-intensifying hatred, will (or should) bring us down the way no cartoon socialist or other silly hysterical trope ever could.

We will not recover and be healthy as a nation, as an economy, as a people, until we isolate this disease and deal with it.

Mike Q: What you and everyone else seems to have missed in this scenario is that the arms dealers set forth to their ardent supporters and adoring masses is the premise to "be prepared" amp up and ramp up, to deal with whatever it is that finally "justifies" and allows them to unload upon whomever or whatever it is at a moments notice- without thinking. With all possible chances of mortality increased expedentually as shooter loses all semblance of sanity and is taken over by the gleeful rush of finally releasing all of that pent up anxiety, exhileration and frustration to deftly put to an end all further discussion.

Thisin my humble opinion as deliberate a set up by powers that be to insure that madness will prevail over logic to preserve "their own" insecurity.
Think about it for a moment. Where is the "logic" that resides in such maniacal and evil mindsets that it promotes and allows MSM to dispense racism as a precursor or lead in to the purchase of its product. Adding unnatural "fears" of others and "insecurity" the purchase is validated and therefore lawful. Convoluted logic to say the lest. Whoever finds more safety in numbers of such of deadly objects is beyond me. Worse is that they don't want any paper trail that leds back to them. That any person would hold to the argument that every law abiding citizen before a life altering event would "without question or doubt" is well beyond the TWILIGHT ZONE.
Hmmmmmmm! Guns safe. Me buy more. Can't use them anywhere? Don't piss me off! Me not want to think. Me just want to FIRE! Oooops. WHAT ANOTHER JOB OFFER? BETTER? Cant make bullet go back. Me dead meat or go to jail. God, I'm sorry. Too late!

If one person at that distributor was armed, the gunman might have been shot before he got to kill eight people. More guns in citizens hands equals less crime.

Just look at the states that freely allow carry permits like Virginia and Texas. Their crime is down across the board. Allow responsible citizens to keep and carry guns and it works.
What else does a 60+ year old homeowner have available to protect his family and home? Two or three thugs break in.. and without a firearm he's unable to protect them. Even a 911 call is 5 minutes away.. by that time they are gone and his family could be injured or even dead.

According to our Bill of Rights,our liberty to keep & bear arms shall not be infringed.However,there are definitely too many guns in America,it's too easy for people especially criminals and the mentally ill to purchase guns.We need tougher rules,regulations,and restrictions on the use,ownership,and distribution of guns in our country.Also,in my opinion,those guns that are privately owned should definitely be of an extremely low caliber

What do Liberal 'fruit cakes' hate guns?

The man that did the shooting was definitely a 'racists' he shot only white people.AND??why was he disciplined in the first place??steeling beer off his truck and selling it HELLO!!!!
And if a investigation finds there was no racial things going on stupid azz stations like RNN needs to make a public apology from printing/broadcasting garbage,but without that RNN has NOTHING anyway

Police protection is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves. Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD

Ever happen here??/Not with this worthless president we have,he doesn't even want to protect it's citizens from illegal aliens.
And if a state ever passed a gun law that was designed to protect it's people this moron president we have would bring a law suit against that state.2 more years I have to suffer with him!!!!

Doug: "What do Liberal 'fruit cakes' hate guns?"

First of all it is ludacris to assume that there should be "hatred attached to an inanimate object, which without its flawed human component or the bullet placed within its chamber couldn't and shouldn't be able hurt anyone.
One thinking that merely by having a gun in your possession gives you magical powers over life or death beyond those possessing good common sense is an extraordinary stretching of the boundaries of sound thinking to say the very least.
You stating that you need to have a gun because you disagree with todays leader leaves you way out on the fringes of mental incapacity right along with those others traited with miscreint behavioral pattterns that you claim are irreconcilably dysfunctional.
Where's the difference? What in your remarks makes you more stable, trustworthy, or in control of your emotions than them?

hAD YOU YOURSELF GATHERED ALL THE INFORMATION REGARDING THE ASSAILANT YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT HIS SANITY AND CHARACTER WAS VOUCHED FOR BY A FEW NEIGHBORS CAUCASIAN PEOPLE WHO EMOTIONALLY STATED THAT THEY KNEW HIM WELL AND CITED THE DETERIORATING CHANGES IN DEMEANOR AS A DIRECT RESULT OF HIS BAD EXPERIENCES WITH AT LEAST SOME OF THE PERSONS ON THAT JOB DUE TO RACIALLY CHARGED INFERENCES.

Now, regardless of what can be ascertained as fact, fiction or wishful thinking in that persons assessment of character, answer these inqueries truthfully.
How many people do you think this man could have killed on that day if all guns were outlawed? _____ Would he have so brazenly taken on all of his detractors? ____ Would you? ____

Doug: In regards to Switzerland they don't have a mass media prompting division and hateful behaviors into their heads every day as the norm in their culture, Neither does Canada or the rest of the more civil societies that live quite comfortably assured in the concept of peaceful coexistance. They don't have a much of a standing army either so arming the populace serves and fulfills that purpose quite well and efficiently. The Swiss will cite the horrors of WWII and how men in the Nazi military were brainwashed through propaganda and commanded to do with mobmentality, inhumane things that they as individuals and decent people would never have conceded. Not for any leader, not for ideology, not for money, not because they were armed with weapons either.

Woman says Conn. shooter complained of race bias
STEPHEN SINGER

The Associated Press

MANCHESTER, Conn. - A woman who knows the driver who fatally shot at least eight co-workers and himself at a Connecticut beer distribution company says he had complained of racial harassment at work.

Joanne Hannah says her daughter dated Omar Thornton for the past eight years. She says her daughter had no indication he planned anything violent Tuesday morning after he was asked to resign from Hartford Distributors and refused.

Hannah says Thornton, a black man, had complained to his superiors about a picture of a noose and a racial epithet in a bathroom at the distributor. Her daughter told her the supervisors did not respond to his complaints.

Hannah says Thornton called his own mother after the rampage "to say goodbye and that he loved everybody."

Company officials have not responded to requests for comment.


Associated Press writer John Christoffersen in Enfield, Conn., contributed to this report

Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/nation/20100803_ap_womansaysconnshootercomplainedofracebias.html#ixzz0vtZ2R9u1

MANY TIMES THERE'S MORE TO A STORY THAN MASS MEDIA WILLING TO ADMIT.

John-How many people do you think this man could have killed on that day if all guns were outlawed?

How many would he have killed if everyone was armed??

says he had complained of racial harassment at work.And just who did he complain to??? Just BS.
But???If proof comes out that this is correct,shame on this Company.But this was the wrong way to handle the problem.The media would have jumped on this if he reported it to them

And I'll just say this.I'm armed and so is my wife.We are both senior citizens,both used to hunt and both trained in safe handling of guns and have owned guns for 50 years.We are both not in the best health.We live out of town and it will take a police unit a good 10 minutes to get here---IF some high on crack jackass breaks the front door in with intentions of robbing,hurting or killing us the only thing this scumbag is gonna hear is ""CLICK ""CLICK"" and that's no BS I'm stating fact

Doug: This I will fully verify, because just as the incident was taking shape the women was interviewed on at least one and possibly two of the nationwide networks[either a Fox or CNN affiliate possibly MSNBC] and I was watching as reporters were frantic to assess who the person was and what might have sent him over the edge. It was aired a few times before it mysteriously vanished from public viewing.
Here is a listing of highly reputable news sources that will at least partially confirm the interview that I saw live.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-tyc8&p=Woman%20says%20ct%20shooter%20was%20harassed%20video&type=

HERE'S A QUESTION THAT NOBODY HAS ASKED.
Was the charge of "stealing" from the worksite a trumped up in order to fire him? Could that have been the reason he would not sign off on the dismissal?


That is why the best news is the "on the spot news" and not the hyphenated edit "soundbyte" that has been reshaped to fit a stations audience, agenda, or advertiser.

God bless you and your family. I don't think you need to worry about break-ins in your rural community. Although with all the recent bombardment of crime story ultra violence I can understand your worry.
My wife watches this stuff nonstop until I am ready to pull my hair out. A 10 minute story stretched out to an hour with 20-25 minutes of commercials might over the course of time- be enough to get me to think about buying a gun, to shoot the tv. On second thought, walking away and finding my own space for peace of mind has worked so far, and I see no reason to get myself arrested for "domestic abuse" or worse yet murder of my own property --->the tv.

HERE'S A QUESTION THAT NOBODY HAS ASKED.
Was the charge of "stealing" from the worksite a trumped up in order to fire him? Could that have been the reason he would not sign off on the dismissal?

****FORGET THE QUESTIONS. THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED BY THE SHOOTERS OWN ADMISSION AND SIGNATURE. The skipped down and missed the phrasing of what I was reading when I was interrupted. I apologize.

John:
But the person interviewed was the mother of his girlfriend,so maybe?just maybe? she was fabricating this?

They said they have video proof of him steeling the beer,OK then,lets see it!!!

I pray I will never have to pick up one of these guns I have here to protect me or my wife,but if need be,I will not hesitate to shoot someone dead -THAT WARRANTS IT.I'm not talking about a argument,a racists remark thrown at me,a boss that was a SOB(OMG over 48 years of working at all sorts of jobs I'd have killed a lot of people LOL)
I'm talking about saving me or my wife's butt from some high on crack looser thats mission is to rob me or worst kill me or my wife
My though pure and simple-you have balls enough to kick my door in to do your deed...well that is the last door in your lifetime you'll ever kick in!!

"What do Liberal 'fruit cakes' hate guns?"

Doug, you're smart to have a gun, with a mouth like yours. But get caught away from your source of bravery....

Doug: She said all of this long before anyone at MSM knew anything about the situation. It was her remarks that brought issue into the focus of what had just happened less than an hour after the melee.

then the whole thing began to be reshaped into what you have seen for the last few days which is the shooter being the racist. Just ry to remember that there is always two sides to a story and since neither MSM, you or I were there during any of the other previous altercations everything that we are seeing on the subject is purely conjecture, and transference of one's own opinion into a tragedy that never needed to happen.
NO GUNS = NO deaths
Please be honest enough to acknowledge that More Guns would have more people entering the frey and "might" have led to more tragedies to others including bystanders.

Mike-anyone who knows me knows exactly where I'm coming from no matter where I am(and I'm only armed at home)
I've almost been arrested more then once at meetings when we fought against things that were getting jammed down the residents throats here.I tried to deck a few people one night
I would,if I could ,tell Nobama right to his face"YOU SUCK as president"

To John: I really believe that if some of the supervisors were armed this sutituation would have come to a end almost immediately
Next question--was the pistol registered???

To John: I really believe that if some of the supervisors were armed this sutituation would have come to a end almost immediately
Next question--was the pistol registered???
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Doug: Possible, but not likely. The shooter in this situation had predetermined his actions, he alone had the advantage of surprise, seeking the best position, to take out as many of his unwary targets, at the critical point when they were at their most vulnerable moment.
To think that anyone who was not a skilled professional would be able to release a holstered weapon, raise it, aim properly, and hit a moving target that was firing at point blank range is well beyond fantasy. It is a possibility as you have said, but highly unlikely.
Most people would be flinging themselves down to the floor to assess where the shots were coming from first. Others might retreive their weapon but fire wildly in the direction they heard the noise. And then there are those who would want to make certain that the noises they were hearing was beyond any shadow of doubt "gunfire" before discharging their weapon for fear of harming innocent people.

Do you agree. If so, get off of that wild west sideshow horse for a moment, and calm down, before you and others with your rants, taunts and backward thinking processes, turn this country into armed mayhem.

It's not that I don't understand your willingness to protect your family from the madness that is sweeping over this country[most of it orchestrated and enhanced by MSM and the type of coverage and all of its intended biases to priject abnormal fears] but, you do seem intelligent enough to know that you are inciting chaos with your proposals to bring your armaments into the public square just because you don;t like what is going on around you.
It might even seem to others that you, in another sense, that like the CT gunman you might be itching to go out in a blaze of inglorious infamy. Worse than that is to set otherswho might not be as controlled or stable as you are, on that dangerous path multiplying the impact.
Ask yourself- Do you want yourself to be associated with that type of disaster, and have to answer for it before the world, for someone else's rash actions.
All of this craziness that is being perpetrated on MSM is not in any form anything that the founding fathers intended for "we the people" of these United States. What you are proposing is in no way a defense of democracy. To the contrary, it is armed insurrection and mob rule by a very distinct minority who have no concept of governance, and who will not negotiate or compromise with others. Can that be democracy? Does it at all comply or use any of the failsafes that founding fathers deliberately inserted to insure that if the people united as one no bloodshed need be shed to remove tyranny from office?
Of course not, its blind rage that has no purposeful goals- other than to release pain on others, in order to relieve your own and/or achieve dominance by force.

NOT SUCH A FINE EXAMPLE FOR WHAT USED TO BE THE BEACON OF MODERN DAY MOST HIGHLY CIVILIZED AND MORAL SOCIETY.
I know that you are able to conceive and propose better ideas than we have heard from you. We all rant from time to time, and I more than most. But guns are not the answer to mankinds evolvement into something better. At best they maintain "violence" as the status quo... be all and end all to lifessituation with DEATH, dominance and fears as its only reward. And those who will find themselves being dominated, their passions become "the drive" to return the favor with even more revenge.

I hope that I have rendered the "trivia question "Was the gun registered... "moot" and inconsequential. Does registered or not change anything for the deceased?

Let me ask you another question. Would you like to see "all" nukes, the whole world over, banned and destroyed as a benefit or detriment to mankind?

Let me ask you another question. Would you like to see "all" nukes, the whole world over, banned and destroyed as a benefit or detriment to mankind?

Nope,cause IMO, just as soon as that happened a rogue nation would be making one secretly

Let me ask you another question. Would you like to see "all" nukes, the whole world over, banned and destroyed as a benefit or detriment to mankind?- John

Doug: Nope,cause IMO, just as soon as that happened a rogue nation would be making one secretly
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Doug: Let me lay out for you todays present day landscape regarding terror and nukes and our inability to know and accurately identify "who is and who isn't our enemy".
What are saying is having more nukes on our side and deploying them around the world- somehow protects you, makes you safer from those who would stealthfully do anything to attain them or infiltrate a site to detonate them and the fissile material in their housing.
That you don't see a greater ignorance in the zipperheaded strategy of the Bush Administration by trading 30 nukes complete w/ all the material necessary for mangoes- to the unstable/unelected dictator Mushareff, in a unstable Pakistan, with its double dealing ISI free to wield its power andinfluence in whatever direction it chooses, in closer proximity, to Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and the 3million plus who comprise the Saudi Wahhabists- and all the other terror obsessed criminal element knuckleheads who would want to do the you and the rest of the whole world harm.
You actually can say with astraight face that you thought this out thoroughly and feel that you are somehow safer and more removed from danger- with THEM already, ... ---> "out there"
Heck if you had thought this out properly you'd quickly realize that they don't even need to go through the nearly insane processes of collecting the material, or building a nuclear plant undetected, not even find worry about finding a scientist or the architects to accomplish what you fear. NOW THEY WOULD HAVE 30... NOT ONE! FULL CONTROL TO EXTORT ALL ARAB OIL, EXTORT ALL OF OUR ALLIES, OR BLOW THEM TO KINGDOM COME... and you know how they would just love to send one or all of them over here.
Now let's skip to the next phase of your critical thinking process, if that were to happen, given all the dysfunctional things that have already happened that involve both military and intell f...-ups, bribes and "pay for play mercks" out there who love nothing more than $$$, killing, and playing war games. Remember, that these death merchants don't have any allegiance to country. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEYAND BEING ON THE WINNING SIDE SO THAT THEY CAN BE ASSUREDOF COLLECTING THEIR MONEY.


Extra credit BONUS Questions
What number of nukes would you think to be the safest for defending America, once in the hands of organizations hellbent on our demise?
a)one b)30 c) zero
Would they need to launch or deploy these bombs in order to release the deadly radiation materials? ___YES ___NO

"IF" is a big word, and expands the realm of possibility to the infinite but, what in your estimation reduces the chances of IF to its lowest denominator.
a)30 b)1 c)0

"ROGUE NATION"... Nah!

Who do you think has these amazing "all knowing" powers, that tells you that you can trust that they alone can foresee intentions, potential intended/unintended irreconcilible conflicts of interest, insatiable thirst for power, or a maniacal disposition in the leadership of any nation be it current ally, long time friend or foe.
Today, the definition of "rogue state" does not have worldwide concensus.
We may for the moment dominate all written discourse on designating nations as "rogue" that merely have their own peoples best interest at the center of their resistance to our "authority" because of our imposing powers[military, finance, technology] but, we do not necessarily have the right to dictate to other people what they can and cannot do in their own country, with their resources, or their ideologies anymore than you like the Federal gov't imposing in your life.

The last president, befriended countless ruthless rogues that have taken over or destroyed countries or caused inprecedented horror and squalor in nations and peoples that have been long time allies of ours, ...and what has this military/corporation council of leadership done about it? NOTHING!!! Not a damned thing to relieve the suffering of people, and continue and empower them with our taxpayer dollars.

LOOK AT THE TRACK RECORD OF OUR MILITARY/CORPORATION COUNCIL OF LEADERSHIP OVER THE PAST TWO DECADES AND WHAT DO YOU SEE THAT YOU CAN FULLY ENDORSE ALLIANCES THAT REPRESENT AMERICAN HONOR, RESPECT FOR ANOTHER MANS DIGNITY AND COMPASSIONATE SPONSORS AS GOOD FOR AMERICA-

None of these culprits have "rogue designation attached to them. You should be asking your elected representatives why?

Calderon- Mexico and it's invasionary forces- APPROVED AND SUBSIDIZED by US govt.
Putin- COMMUNIST- IRON RULER invaded ally Russian Georgia, held Europe hostage for energy. extortion for two winters. NOT A WORD HEARD
Mushareff- DICTATORSHIP- "nukes for mangoes"... the ISI guarding those nukes... safe haven for Bin laden... DEPOSED! ... but, our CFR leadership was chilled and appalled when he was unanimously voted out of office by his peoples "democratic election" process. Go figure???
KHADAFY- DICTATOR/TERROR SUPPORTER Lockerbie bomber, supporter of terrorists at the Olympics, do you really think that Bush gave him a reprieve and full reinstatement into the UN aka BILDERBERG/TRILATERAL CONSORTIUM without getting kickback? [SEE: THE BP CONNECTION and follow the pipelines and mountains of MOOOLA! THIS BLOOD MONEY FOR OIL DEAL TAKES ALL.] - APPROVED- US govt & BIG OIL with CFR backing. The extraordinary profits siphoned from your pocket that has yet to come. Take time to wonder who and which group the nefarious Khadafy will channel funding towards.
THE BUTTON MEN: MEANT TO DISTRAT YOU WHEN YOU ARE ONTO THE SCAMS- Iraqs Al qaeda, Osama, the Karzai bros, the zeta's, all exist in virtual safe havens. Our trillion dollar per year intell tells us they don't know where or who they are but, someone knew what was going to transpire 11months before 9/11 ever was allowed to happen. Just as if the event was meant to happen- and for a single purpose.
HAVE YOU EVER TAKEN THE TIME TO WATCH THIS?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA

Olmert- MILITARY COUP/ DID NOT CONSULT WITH ISRAELI PARLIAMENT BEFORE STARTING HIS maniacal invasions that only served to expose that weakness in our judgment and that "inhumanity" can spring up anywhere at anytime.
China- COMMUNIST the takeover of the Dhali llamas peaceful nation. DEVALUATING ALL CURRENCIES WITH ITS MANIPULATIONS. DOES NOT ALLOW PEACEFUL DISSENT IN ANY FORM. Still seeking to takeover Taiwan and has been building and expanding its military and stealing hi-tech secrets off the profits from the mandated terms of its GUARANTEED FREE TRADE ARRANGEMENT by the US GOV'T & IT'S CORPORATE SPONSORS.
THESE YOU ARE TOLD TO EMBRACE AS YOUR NEW FRIENDS.

You and me, our nations rapid decline into the abyss- doesn't matter to any of these folks- who bamboozle you with quintessinal amounts of bullshit just to get you to pay for the security that is not there, while they sell off every single bit of our culture, our dignity and strengths.

THERE IS ONE ROGUE GOV'T THAT ENCOMPASSES AND EMBRACES ALL THE OTHERS. IT OPERATES CLOAKED AND UNDETECTED AND HAS WORLDWIDE SCOPE & RACKETEERING INFLUENCES THAT ARE DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY- ITS NAME AND ID INITIALED AND CAN BE *FOUND IN THE 10 MINUTE VIDEO. IT IS KNOWN BY EVERYONE HERE IN THISCOUNTRY AS OUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD Council __ _______ _________s.

Nothing happens on this planet that isn't or can't be touched at amoments notice- by their financial powers or influence[politics, military, law enactments, unbalanced treaties, curtailments in your privacy, siphoning your funds and earnongs to their "select" corporations and institutions. NOTHING!
They control all the really important key committees within our govt,. they control and ownership and distribution of oil, what is taboo to them on MSM, and all fears that emminate and are proliferated for non compliance.
Collateral damage- the dehumanizing of the human component onto a "ledger sheet" can be simplified and totally controlled by "chipping" their ultimate goal. Having human beings reduced to its lowliest and resentful bottom- "slave unit" devoid of free speech or possessions fearful of the ever present chip imbedded that allows them mibility only if their banker overlord is content.

BEWARE! LET ALL BUYERS OF THESE FALSE BOTTOM SECURITIES- ...BE VERY AWARE!

Clarification:

THERE IS ONE ROGUE "element" that seems to fly under the radar, does not belong in our GOV'T because of all of these obvious associations, policy mandates they have pursued that may under serious scrutiny constitute serious conflicts of interest that even according to their own definition has them endorsing or doing nothing about each of the unconstitutional agendas that violate the constitution. Mostly it's endorsing, with a whole lot of subornation of the will of the people via strongarm tactics, refusing to apply the law that protects citizen rights, assets, and services. etc. THAT ENCOMPASSES AND EMBRACES ALL THESE OTHER rather nefarious components in its worldwide underpinnings. IT OPERATES CLOAKED AND UNDETECTED AND HAS WORLDWIDE SCOPE & RACKETEERING INFLUENCES THAT ARE DESTROYING the fabric of THIS COUNTRY- ITS NAME AND ID INITIALED AND CAN BE *FOUND IN THE 10 MINUTE VIDEO. IT IS KNOWN as promoted and advertised by MSM to EVERYONE HERE IN THIS COUNTRY AS OUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD C __ F_______ R_________s.
Perhaps they should be asked to step forward, identify themselves, state the modus and the end goal of their leaderships agenda because the Bilderbergs, Tri-lats and others seeking this NWO governance in absentia, at least on paper, seem to own these participants and neither of these elitist organizations give a rats damn about about what happens beneath them OR TO AMERICA AS WE HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN IT TO STAND FOR ...with God, and liberty and justice for all.

TRILATERAL COMMISSION/BILDERBERG GROUP---> CFR
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/cfr-members.htm

PLEASE NOTE THAT THEIR ARE NO CONSTITIONAL VALUES IN THIS NEW WORLD ORDER GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE THAT THEY ARE ALIGNING WITH.

That maintainance of this New World Order will keep none of the constitutional rights that are your inheritance, but instead will mandate that America and its people conform to adopt communism, andaneo fascist military police state martial law should their attempt for universal enslavement and tyranny falter.

See if you can tell me in how many ways the key members drafted into the CFR have changed and altered America and its traditional wholesome values for this maniacal lab experiment that has destroyed our families, traditions, that ridicules our beliefs, promotes hedonism in children leading to disease and devaluating life to collateral damage, unbridled selfishness is tauted as the positive character trait to strive for just because they are wired that way... And they demand to be entitled.

WHY WAIT UNTIL ITS TOO LATE TO UNROOT THE MALIGNANCY.

CFR and the New World Order

According to State Department Publication 2349, submitted by secretary of State and CFR member Edward Stettinius, a committee on "post-war problems" was set up before the end of 1939 at the suggestion of the CFR. In other words, two years before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, the CFR was planning how to order the world after the war ended.

In 1946, the Rockefeller Foundation spent almost $140,000 to produce a history of how the United States entered World War II. This history was intended to counter "revisionist" historians who argued that the U.S. was "tricked" into the war by the Roosevelt Administration. The Rockefeller family has always taken a lead role in the CFR.

In the 1960s, while American men and women were dying in the jungles of Vietnam and while the military/industrial complex was sucking trillions of dollars out of American taxpayers' wallets, the Rockefeller dynasty was financing Vietnamese oil refineries and aluminum plants. If there had ever been a formal declaration of war, the Rockefellers could be tried for treason. Instead, they reaped dividends.

These are just a few of the abuses of power which demonstrate the results of the power elite's manipulations of our destiny as a society. If you've ever wondered why you don't hear about this network of power, just take a look at the CFR's membership roster (posted online in ParaScope). Many of the chief executives and newspeople at CBS, NBC/RCA, ABC, the Public Broadcast Service, the Associated Press, the New York Times, Time magazine, Newsweek, the Washington Post, and many other key media outlets are CFR members.

Even if these members of the media's elite had the inclination to report on what they saw and heard at CFR meetings, they are prevented from doing so by the Non-Attribution Rule. To put this in perspective: many of the people who are trusted to provide information about national and world politics are deliberately withholding crucial information from the public because of membership in a secretive globalist organization.

This organization has taken it upon itself to participate in the manufacturing of a new vision for humanity, and dissidence will not be tolerated. If you believe the words of Carroll Quigley, all resistance is futile and doomed to failure. If you believe the rhetoric of internationalists in our own government, the current "trend towards isolationism" will result in a loss of American hegemony in the New World Order, leaving the United States a wrecked Third World wasteland.

World government can come in time, piece by piece, arrived at through the full participation and consensus of the human beings who will be affected by the negotiations. But the idea of the world's elite determining what path that the common herd should follow is repulsive to the human spirit. The story of the CFR goes far deeper than this brief report, and is interlocked with several other international power groups.

International power orgs depend on the masses remaining ignorant for their plans to come to fruition. It's up to you to do your own research and draw your own conclusion. But remember: there's a hell of a lot more to the story than Dan Rather will ever tell you. Educate yourself, or remain a passive consumer. The choice is entirely yours.

HOW "INSIDER TRADING" on the worldscale, AND "GOVERNMENT INFILTRATIONS" are ACHIEVED, MAINTAINED SYNCHONIZED AND CHOREOGRAPHED, so that what we see is, ...NOTHING.

* = POLITICIAN
**** = BUSINESSES THAT WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED TO FAIL. THEY MAY CONSOLIDATE BUT, NEVER FAIL COMPLETELY. SOME HAVE BEEN LIQUIDATED LIKE ENRON, BUT THEY ALWAYS SEEM TO RESURFACE WITH NEW CAPITAL AND "CLEAN BALANCE SHEETS. You should be this lucky.

What if you knew exactly where to invest your money wouldn't you be as smart as they pretend to be? You could try asking one of these folks to a G8-G20 meeting, then voila... GENIUS STATUS ACHIEVED!

Bilderberg Group
ORGANIZATION


Founded in 1954, the Bilderberg Group holds "by invitation only" annual meetings of the rich and powerful. About two-thirds of the attendees are European, the rest American. Informally named for the site of the group's first meeting, the Hotel de Bilderberg in Oosterbeek, Netherlands.

Founding Date:
1954

Name Occupation Birth Death Known for
Josef Ackermann Business 7-Feb-1948 ****CEO of Deutsche Bank
Umberto Agnelli Business 1-Nov-1934 27-May-2004 ****Chairman of Fiat, 2003-04
Fouad Ajami Author 9-Sep-1945 Director of Middle East Studies, SAIS
#Keith B. Alexander Military 1952 Director, ****National Security Agency
Paul Allaire Business 21-Jul-1938 Twice ****CEO of Xerox
Graham T. Allison Scholar 23-Mar-1940 Kennedy School of Government
Joaquin Almunia Politician 17-Jun-1948 EU Economic Affairs Commissioner
Roger C. Altman Business c. 1945 CEO of Evercore Partners
Ed Balls Politician 25-Feb-1967 British MP, Normanton
Robert L. Bartley Editor 12-Oct-1937 10-Dec-2003 Editor of the ****Wall Street Journal, 1979-2003 READ... BETWEEN ITS LINES IF YOU ARE ASTUTE.

*Evan Bayh Politician 26-Dec-1955 US Senator from Indiana DEMOCRAT- CURRENTLY BLOCKING ALL "REAL" REFORMS THAT COULD RESTORE OUR LOST EQUITY.

Queen Beatrix I Royalty 31-Jan-1938 Queen of the Netherlands

*Ben Bernanke Economist 13-Dec-1953 Federal Reserve Chairman WHY OUR DEBT WILL NEVER TO ALLOWED TO GO DOWN. THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS NOT AGOV'T AGENCY. IT IS THE OFFICIAL SLUSH FUND FOR THE TOO BIG TO FAILS

Prince Bernhard Royalty 29-Jun-1911 1-Dec-2004 Prince of the Netherlands
Carl Bildt Head of State 15-Jul-1949 Foreign Minister of Sweden
Conrad Black Business 25-Aug-1944 Rapacious newspaper mogul
#Charles G. Boyd Military 15-Apr-1938 Retired General, US Air Force
****John Browne Business 20-Feb-1948 CEO of British Petroleum, 1995-2007
John H. Bryan Business 5-Oct-1936 CEO of Sara Lee, 1975-2000
William F. Buckley Columnist 24-Nov-1925 27-Feb-2008 National Review
William Bundy Government 24-Sep-1917 6-Oct-2000 Cold War advisor to JFK, LBJ

George W Bush- listed in the CFR report as consultant/financial advisor. NO WONDER THE WHOLE BANKING SYSTEM COLLAPSED WITH ROCKY'S BULLWINKLE [STOOGE] AT THE HELM. Great for the Exxon mogul. Not so good for the rest of us.


Peter Carington Government 6-Jun-1919 UK Foreign Secretary, 1979-82
Henri de Castries Business c. 1954 CEO of AXA

Ahmed Chalabi Government 30-Oct-1944 Prominent on the Iraqi Provisional Council WHO'D A THUNK IT. ANOTHER SLEAZEBALL PLANT BY THE EXXON-MOGUL

Raymond Chrétien Diplomat 20-May-1942 Canadian Ambassador to the US, 1995-2000
W. Edmund Clark Business c. 1947 CEO of Toronto Dominion Bank
Kenneth Clarke Politician 2-Jul-1940 Chancellor of the Exchequer, 1993-97
Bill Clinton Head of State 19-Aug-1946 42nd US President, 1993-2001
Marshall A. Cohen Business c. 1935 CEO of Molson, 1988-96
Timothy C. Collins Business c. 1956 Private equity, Ripplewood Holdings
Bertrand P. Collomb Business c. 1943 CEO of Lafarge SA, 1987-2003

Jon Corzine Politician 1-Jan-1947 Governor of New Jersey I WASN'T SPEEDING- READ MY RING, IT SAYS "KMA"

Chester A. Crocker Government 29-Oct-1941 Asst. Secy. State, African Affairs, 1981-89
Claes Dahlbäck Business c. 1948 CEO of Investor AB, 1978-99

Tom Daschle Politician 9-Dec-1947 US Senator from South Dakota, 1987-2005 HOLD FOR RECYCLING!
Paul G. Desmarais, Jr. Business 3-Jul-1954 Co-CEO of Power Corporation of Canada

John Deutch Government 27-Jul-1938 CIA Director, 1995-96 OOOPS! WHAT A DISASTER! Caught red handed by Mike C Ruppert TIED MONEY LAUNDERING, DRUG DISTRIBUTION AND SEC MALFEASANCE TO HIS HIDE.

Chris Dodd Politician 27-May-1944 US Senator from Connecticut DON'T LET ME GET STARTED- PLEEASE. wE MIGHT AS WELL FOLD UP THE TENT AND CONCEDE EVERYTHING TO THE BILDERBERG OPERATION & ITS NEW FOUND FRIENDS THE FOREIGN TREASURIES, THE TOO BIG TO FAILS & THE SWFS.

Thomas E. Donilon Attorney c. 1955 O'Melveny and Myers
Esther Dyson Business 14-Jul-1951 EDventure Holdings, former ICANN director
Murray Edwards Business c. 1959 Canadian Natural Resources
Martha J. Farah Psychologist c. 1955 Center for Cognitive Neuroscience, UPenn

Dianne Feinstein Politician 22-Jun-1933 US Senator from California WORTHLESS WARMONGER IN FEMALE CLOTHING.

Martin Feldstein Economist 25-Nov-1939 Reagan economist
Anthony S. Fell Business c. 1941 Chairman, RBC Capital Markets

Harold Ford Politician 11-May-1970 Congressman from Tennessee, 1997-2007
ROCKY MUST BE PISSED! HE CAN'T FIND A LOCATION ANYWHERE TO ELECT THIS MAN.

Stephen Friedman Business 21-Dec-1937 Former Partner, ****Goldman Sachs
Thomas Friedman Journalist 20-Jul-1953 New York Times
Melinda Gates Philanthropist 15-Aug-1964 Married to Bill Gates WHAT NO MICROSOFT?

Timothy F. Geithner Government 18-Aug-1961 US Secretary of the Treasury ROCKY'S RIGHT HAND MAN. WHATEVER ROCKY WANTS, ROCKY GETS! ...AND THAT'S FINAL!!!

David Gergen Columnist 9-May-1942 Advisor to Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Clinton
Paul Gigot Columnist 1955 Wall Street Journal columnist
Donald E. Graham Journalist 22-Apr-1945 Washington Post CEO
Katharine Graham Publisher 16-Jun-1917 17-Jul-2001 Washington Post publisher, 1966-79
Richard Haass Government 1951 President, Council on Foreign Relations

*Chuck Hagel Politician 4-Oct-1946 US Senator from Nebraska, 1997-2009 FROM THE PARTY OF NOOOOOOOO...

Richard C. Holbrooke Diplomat 24-Apr-1941 US Envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan LET'S MAKE SOME DOPEY DEALS

Allan Hubbard Economist 8-Sep-1947 George W. Bush economist
Kenneth Jacobs Business c. 1958 CEO of Lazard North America
Merit E. Janow Educator 13-May-1958 Professor of Int'l Affairs, Columbia University
Peter Jennings Journalist 29-Jul-1938 7-Aug-2005 Former anchor, ABC World News Tonight
James A. Johnson Business 24-Dec-1943 CEO of Fannie Mae, 1991-98
J. Bennett Johnston Politician 10-Jun-1932 US Senator from Louisiana, 1972-97
Vernon Jordan Business 15-Aug-1935 Advisor to Bill Clinton
Muhtar Kent Business c. 1952 CEO of Coca-Cola

Henry Kissinger Government 27-May-1923 US Secretary of State, 1973-77
Klaus Kleinfeld Business 6-Nov-1957 President and COO of Alcoa DID SOMEONE MENTION AUTHOR OF THE

Andrew S. B. Knight Journalist 1-Nov-1939 Editor of The Economist, 1974-86
Henry Kravis Business 6-Jan-1944 Kohlberg Kravis Roberts
Marie-Josée Kravis Economist 11-Sep-1949 President of MoMA

Bill Kristol Columnist 23-Dec-1952 Editor of The Weekly Standard MINISTER OF PROPAGANDA- PNAC CLAIMS TO HAVE DEFECTED AND SEEN THE LIGHT. BE CAREFUL THIS SNAKE IS POISONOUS AND DEADLY.

Neelie Kroes Government 19-Jul-1941 EU Commissioner of Competition
Jan Leschly Business ? CEO of SmithKline Beecham, 1994-2000
William J. Luti Military c. 1952 NSC Defense Policy Adviser
Peter Mandelson Politician 21-Oct-1953 EU Commissioner for Trade
Jessica Tuchman Mathews Government 1946 Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Charles Mathias Politician 24-Jul-1922 25-Jan-2010 US Senator from Maryland, 1969-87
Charlie McCreevy Politician 30-Sep-1948 EU Commissioner, Internal Market and Services
William J. McDonough Business c. 1934 President of New York Fed, 1993-2003
Frank J. McKenna Politician 19-Jan-1948 Canadian Ambassador to the US, 2005-06
Tom McKillop Business 19-Mar-1943 Chairman, Royal Bank of Scotland
George J. Mitchell Politician 20-Aug-1933 US Middle East Envoy
Bill Moyers Journalist 6-Jun-1934 NOW with Bill Moyers
Craig Mundie Business c. 1949 CTO of Microsoft

George Pataki Politician 24-Jun-1945 Governor of New York, 1995-2006 JUST RESURRECTED- WATCH OUT

Henry M. Paulson Business 28-Mar-1946 US Secretary of the Treasury, 2006-09
Frank H. Pearl Business c. 1943 CEO of Perseus LLC YIKES!!! WHERE DO WE START...
GOLDMAN-SACHS... "DEREGULATION"... GOLDMAN-SACHS... AIG... GOLDMAN-SACHS... the "martial law" extortion... the unbelievable amount of money added to our national debt... Rockys plan for chipping almost realized? ... WHERE?

Richard Perle Government 16-Sep-1941 Prince of Darkness THAT'S NOT MY DESIGNATION THATS THE AUTHORS. SEE: Wolfowitz, Kristol, Bush, Cheney, PNAC

Fredrik Reinfeldt Head of State 4-Aug-1965 Prime Minister of Sweden
Bill Richardson Politician 15-Nov-1947 Governor of New Mexico NAFTA ,CAFTA, FREE TRADE, ILLEGALS GONE WILD

Rozanne L. Ridgway Diplomat 22-Aug-1935 Asst. Secy. of State for Europe, 1985-89
Don Riegle Politician 4-Feb-1938 US Senator from Michigan, 1976-95

****David Rockefeller Business 12-Jun-1915 Founder of the Trilateral Commission WELL WHAT DO YOU KNOW IT'S THE GRIM REAPER THE GOOD OLE MR CHIPS HIMSELF.

Charlie Rose Talk Show Host 5-Jan-1942 Charlie Rose Show
Dennis B. Ross Diplomat c. 1949 US Middle East Envoy, 1992-2000
Lynn Forester de Rothschild Business 2-Jul-1954 Telecom executive
Barnett R. Rubin Educator c. 1950 The Fragmentation of Afghanistan

--> Mark Sanford Politician 28-May-1960 Governor of South Carolina NO WONDER THIS AWOL CREEP IS STILL AROUND.

Jaap de Hoop Scheffer Politician 3-Apr-1948 NATO Secretary General, 2004-09
Eric Schmidt Business 27-Apr-1955 CEO of Google
*Kathleen Sebelius Politician 15-May-1948 US Secretary of HHS
John Shad Government 27-Jun-1923 Jul-1994 SEC Chairman, 1981-87
Robert B. Shapiro Business 4-Aug-1938 CEO of ****Monsanto, 1995-2000
George Shultz Government 13-Dec-1920 US Secretary of State, 1982-89
****George Soros Business 12-Aug-1930 Hungarian financial speculator
Lesley Stahl Journalist 16-Dec-1941 60 Minutes
James B. Steinberg Government 7-May-1953 Deputy Secretary of State
Dennis Stevenson Business 19-Jul-1945 Chairman of HBOS
*Lawrence H. Summers Economist 30-Nov-1954 US Treasury Secretary, 1999-2001
Peter Sutherland Government 25-Apr-1946 First Director General of the WTO
Peter Thiel Business 1967 Co-Founder of PayPal
Jean-Claude Trichet Business 20-Dec-1942 President, European Central Bank
Sanam Vakil Educator ? Mideast Scholar, SAIS
John Vinocur Journalist ? International Herald Tribune correspondent
Vin Weber Politician 24-Jul-1952 Congressman from Minnesota, 1981-93
John C. Whitehead Business 1922 US Deputy Secretary of State, 1985-89
Michael H. Wilson Politician 4-Nov-1937 Canadian Ambassador to the US
James Wolfensohn Business 1-Dec-1933 World Bank president, 1995-2005
*Paul Wolfowitz Government 22-Dec-1943 President of the ****World Bank, 2005-07 PNAC FOUNDING MEMBER- FIRST ZIPPERHEAD TO CHANGE "THE MISSION" TO END TERRORISM TO SADDAM.
Daniel Yergin Author 6-Feb-1947 The Prize
*Robert Zoellick Government 25-Jul-1953 ****World Bank president

Now meet the Trilateral Commission its agenda but what you will quickly find is that they along with CFR appointees both organizations are working under the same orchestrator. And his agenda as we all know is...total control by "chipping".
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Obama: Trilateral Commission Endgame
Trilateral Commission
By Patrick Wood, Editor
January 30, 2009

[Ed. note: For clarity, members of the Trilateral Commission appear in bold type.]

As previously noted in Pawns of the Global Elite, Barack Obama was groomed for the presidency by key members of the Trilateral Commission. Most notably, it was Zbigniew Brzezinski, co-founder of the Trilateral Commission with David Rockefeller in 1973, who was Obama's principal foreign policy advisor.

The pre-election attention is reminiscent of Brzezinski's tutoring of Jimmy Carter prior to Carter's landslide election in 1976.

For anyone who doubts the Commission's continuing influence on Obama, consider that he has already appointed no less than eleven members of the Commission to top-level and key positions in his Administration.

According to official Trilateral Commission membership lists, there are only 87 members from the United States (the other 337 members are from other regions). Thus, in less than two weeks since his inauguration, Obama's appointments encompass more than 12% of Commission's entire U.S. membership.

Is this a mere coincidence or is it a continuation of dominance over the Executive Branch since 1976? (For important background, read The Trilateral Commission: Usurping Sovereignty.)

•Secretary of Treasury, Tim Geithner
•Ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice
•National Security Advisor, Gen. James L. Jones

•Deputy National Security Advisor, Thomas Donilon
•Chairman, Economic Recovery Committee, Paul Volker
•Director of National Intelligence, Admiral Dennis C. Blair
•Assistant Secretary of State, Asia & Pacific, Kurt M. Campbell
•Deputy Secretary of State, James Steinberg
•State Department, Special Envoy, Richard Haass

•State Department, Special Envoy, Dennis Ross
•State Department, Special Envoy, Richard Holbrooke
There are many other incidental links to the Trilateral Commission, for instance,

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is married to Commission member William Jefferson Clinton.

Geithner's informal group of advisors include E. Gerald Corrigan, Paul Volker, Alan Greenspan and Peter G. Peterson, among others. His first job after college was with Henry Kissinger at Kissinger Associates.

Brent Scowcroft has been an unofficial advisor to Obama and was mentor to Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

Robert Zoelick is currently president of the World Bank

Laurence Summers, White House Economic Advisor, was mentored by former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin during the Clinton administration.

There are many other such links, but these are enough for you to get the idea of what's going on here.

Analyze the positions
Notice that five of the Trilateral appointees involve the State Department, where foreign policy is created and implemented. Hillary Clinton is certainly in line with these policies because her husband, Bill Clinton, is also a member.

What is more important than economic recovery? Paul Volker is the answer.

What is more important than national intelligence? Gen. James Jones, Thomas Donilon and Adm. Dennis Blair hold the top three positions.

What is more important than the Treasury and the saving of our financial system? Timothy Geithner says he has the answers.

The State Department is virtually dominated by Trilaterals: Kurt Campbell, James Steinberg, Richard Haass, Dennis Ross and Richard Holbrooke.

This leaves Susan Rice, Ambassador to the United Nations. The U.N. is the chosen instrument for ultimate global governance. Rice will help to subvert the U.S. into the U.N. umbrella of vassal states.

Conflict of interest
Since 1973, the Commission has met regularly in plenary sessions to discuss policy position papers developed by its members. Policies are debated in order to achieve consensuses. Respective members return to their own countries to implement policies consistent with those consensuses.

The original stated purpose of the Trilateral Commission was to create a "New International Economic Order." Its current statement has morphed into fostering a "closer cooperation among these core democratic industrialized areas of the world with shared leadership responsibilities in the wider international system." (See The Trilateral Commission web site)

U.S. Trilateral members implement policies determined by a majority of non-Americans that most often work against the best interests of the country.

"How," you say?

Since the administration of Jimmy Carter, Trilaterals held these massively influential positions:

•Six out of eight World Bank presidents, including the current appointee, Robert Zoelick
•Eight out of ten U.S. Trade Representatives
•President and/or Vice-President of every elected administration (except for Obama/Biden)

•Seven out of twelve Secretaries of State
•Nine out of twelve Secretaries of Defense

Is this sinking in? Are you grasping the enormity of it?

Endgame is at hand
For the Trilateral crowd, the game is about over. The recent reemergence of original members Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Brent Scowcroft and Paul Volker serves to reinforce the conclusion that the New International Economic Order is near.

The Trilateral Commission and its members have engineered the global economic, trade and financial system that is currently in a state of total chaos.

Does that mean that they have lost? Hardly.

As I recently wrote in Chorus call for New World Order, they are using the crisis to destroy what remains of national sovereignty, so that a New World Order can finally and permanently be put into place.
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FOLLOW THE PROGRESSIONS OF THE BILDERBERG AGENDAS & CURIOUS MINDSET-

List of 2006 Bilderberg Attendees most of them are Foreign. A great percentage control their nations top banks and international industrys
Curious people among attendees
*AHMED CHALABI- INSTIGATOR WHO PROVIDED FALSIFIED INFORMATION THAT STARTED THE IRAQWAR
****TIMOTHY GEITHNER- THE MAN WHO TURNED HIS BLIND EYE TO ALL SEC FRAUD & DEREGULATION SCAMS, "THE NY FED" WHO CLAIMS HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT ANYTHING.
*GEORGE PATAKI- ???
*RICHARD PERLE- PRINCE OF DARKNESS
****GOLDMAN-SACHS- PETER SUTHERLAND IS "CROWNED TO BE GOD'S TOP BANKER- DO NOT MISS THIS ARTICLE!!!
Isn't it amazing that with all the profits Goldman-Sachs is said to have made over the past several years with Catholic Church money that they are still closing schools and abandoning their parishioners and refusing to pay damage settlements for the children they have abused and damaged? READ!!!

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?si=1736244&issue_id=14968
*ONE-American billionaire; former Member of JP Morgan International Council; former Chairman and CEO of Chase Manhattan Bank; Honorary Chairman of Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, and Council of the Americas; USA
Verification of Attendees: Attendeeshttp://www.greatdreams.com/2006_Bilderberg_Attendees.htm

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NOW A LOOK AT 2007...
2007: Agenda and Participant List
Daniel Estulin
www.danielestulin.com
Friday, May 25, 2007

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/250507bilderberg.htmBilderberg Agendas from 2006-2010

DON'T MISS THIS IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT PROCESS LED US TO THE BP OIL SPILL.
18Jun07 - BILDERBERG 2007 REPORT
AFP’s Jim Tucker is back in the United States after discovering Bilderberg right in the middle of Istanbul, and not at the Klassis Country Club, 40 miles outside Istanbul as he first believed. What follows is Jim’s first on-the-spot report, filed before leaving Istanbul. By James P. Tucker Jr.
"Among new climate related demands by Bilderberg is for the United State to increase gasoline taxes so the price will rise “significantly” to more than $6 a gallon. The argument is that this will reduce driving and thus emissions. They argued, with little or no dissent from Americans, that Europeans already pay that much or more. Unsaid was the fact that many more Americans have to drive long distances to work. Many Europeans live so close to their jobs they walk or ride bikes." MUCH, MUCH MORE... continue

"Only Bilderberg, as its members boasted, could pressure Bush into such an irrational act. This demonstrates the raw power of Bilderberg.

President Ronald Reagan rejected LOST in 1982. President Bush the Elder let the issue lie fallow. Bilderberger Clinton signed the treaty and wanted to submit it to the Senate for ratification. He pulled back when a test vote showed a 95-0 opposition to the LOST.

For Bush to anger his already antagonized Republican base by this about-face is incredible.

Bilderberg participants said “pressure has been applied,” and Bush is expected to announce support of the LOST “soon.” Bush’s national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, has asked the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Joe Biden (D-Del.), to secure ratification “soon.”

The LOST took effect in 1994 and has been ratified by 153 countries. If ratified, the United States would yield sovereignty over all the world’s seas and oceans to a UN bureaucracy. Americans could be ordered by the UN to stop fishing or digging for clams on either coast. The LOST created the International Seabed Authority (ISA) with full jurisdiction over more than 70% of the world: the oceans and everything in them.

This includes the ocean floors and all the wealth they contain: “solid, liquid, or gaseous mineral resources” and the power to regulate them. The ISA, headquartered in Jamaica, has an assembly, a council and numerous commissions in a typically bloated bureaucracy, all paid tax-free salaries. If ratified, the United States would have one in 154 votes, and with envy and hatred of our country so widespread, this nation would lose every appeal of every decision.

These bureaucrats would have the power to levy international taxes, something Bilderberg has wanted for many years. Bilderberg prefers, as members have said many times at their meetings over many years, a UN tax on oil at the wellhead. Starting at perhaps 10 cents a barrel, Americans would be unaware they are paying a direct tax to the UN when buying gas. But, like the income tax, it would grow to usurious levels. But the principle is important to Bilderberg: a direct tax on people of the world would be a major step toward global government. Such a tax has been pending before the UN for years but unreported in the mainstream media.

The LOST taxes would be disguised as assessments, fees, permits or payments. But they will cost you money.

But the good news is, Bilderberg is upset that, as public knowledge and indignation rises, the plan for global government is years behind schedule. In the 1990s, Bilderberg was confident that, by 2000, the merging of Europe into a single superstate would be completed and the “American Union” would be well on the way to completion. But two nations failed to ratify the EU constitution, keeping it from taking effect. And outraged Americans have prevented NAFTA from evolving into the “American Union.”

Peter Sutherland, chairman of British Petroleum and Goldman Sachs International, among others, said it was a mistake for the Netherlands and France to kill the EU constitution by putting it to a popular vote so the public could reject it.

“You knew there was a rise in nationalism; you should have let your parliaments ratify the treaty, and it should be done with,” Sutherland fumed. His views were applauded with no apparent dissent.

The term “nationalism” is an obscenity to Bilderberg, being equated with patriotism."

PART TWO - NORTH AMERICAN UNION(below)
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Still more 2007...
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People that run the world:
"If one aspect of Bilderberg that irks many is its secrecy, another one is the identity of its participants. Looking at the list of regular "Bilderbergers," one cannot but think that these are really "the people that run the world". Veterans like *Henry Kissinger, *David Rockefeller and *Zbigniew Brzezinski are joined every year by newcomers such as former U.S. President Bill Clinton, soon-to-be-former-PM Tony Blair, NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, former Pentagon adviser *Richard Perle and countless others. Every year, the list also includes important "media people" from influential outlets such as The Financial Times, Washington Post, The Economist, The Times, *Le Figaro and Die Zeit. The picture becomes complete with CEOs from the world's biggest companies such as Coca-Cola, Fiat, Suez-Tractebel, Royal Dutch Shell and British Petroleum.

With such a mixture, conspiracy theories abound; the most famous one being the "invisible hand" theory. According to some, those who are lucky enough to attend the meetings and get a blessing from the "inner circle" witness breath-taking career leaps. An "obscure governor" from Arkansas, one year after attending the Bilderberg meeting in 1991, became the President of the United States, while Tony Blair of Britain was elected prime minister three years after his attendance in 1993.
****But why did Margaret Thatcher, a regular Bilderberger, lose her job as Prime Minister in 1990? The theory says that she lost the support of Bilderberg because ---> "she did not accept the transfer of British sovereignty to a "European Super State."
Of course, John Major, who took the job as Prime Minister after Thatcher, was also a Bilderberger..."

Hmmmmm! THESE VULTURE EAT THEIR OWN

BILDERBERG CONFERENCE WAS SET IN TURKEY IN 2007

30May07 - Didem Subar - The current political climate in Turkey is as follows......

Hello,
Your web site. It's amazing that a person at a point of the world cares about the Palestinians, Muslims or the whole Middle East.

As a Muslim person who believes in Secularism, I do care about the events what happens in the world. How people are going mad about Nationalsim, money, stealing, big cars,... anything you could imagine about ABSENCE OF SENSE and HUMANITY...

I don't know much about the news of British press or what you read on the newspapers about Turkey, but right now there's another big plan is falling out in this area.

Just check out what happened here in my country only in a few days:
1) In the capital city (Ankara) a terrorist attack occured in a shopping center and 6 civilians died.

2) American F-16 planes tresspassed our eastern borders for 4 min. and in the press statement they have explained this tresspassing as a mistake. (with this high technology? Everybody's laughing, I think they're just kidding us.)

3) Four new western banks have just bought shares in our banks.

4) Our government is selling out National territory by auction to foreigners just to balance the budget.

5) There will be elections at 22th of July for the new government for another 5 years and meanwhile American troops suddenly announced that they are leaving the border territories of Iraq where PKK are deployed.

It's like a den of intrigue here in our arena of politics. Community has started to split off just like in the 1980's... Terrorist attacks have been occuring but when on TV intellectuals say the Turkish government should prioritise security, not the international handouts, they have been shown as betrayer by 'black troops'.

America's big Middle East project is occuring in front of the eyes of the whole world, how many innocent children are going to be killed, and tortured???

I think we should (as civil human beings) firstly understand that no rational person would attack anyone's religion, territory, home or belongings with bombs... Muslims are not terrorists (yes there are some of them, but they are the members of the terrorist troops.) Not all the Christians hate Muslims.
So what the hell is going on here?

We just need to wake up and see the reality WHY all those wars are occuring... This is just MONEY, POWER, SOVEREIGNTY...
THIS IS MADNESS, (not Sparta...)

Best regards,
Didem Subar
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Translation into English of 2007 interview with Gaylon Ross, author of 'Who's Who of the Elite'
1) How do American people look at the Secret Societies such as Skulls and Bones, Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, CFR and others?

Those who do know about them know that they are secret and resent the fact that these people are trying to rule the entire world.

2) What percentage of American People know of them? How do they react or is there an opposition in the USA or Americas against these secret societies and Global Elite.

Probably 90%+ of the Americans know nothing about these secret groups. Anyone who has the capability, such as radio and TV host, try to inform as many as they can about these secret groups.

3) Since you have exposed these societies in USA, did you face any difficulty or assault or conspiracy or attack or harrassment?

Since 1995 I have been exposing the Elite, but not one person has called or written to me in a negative way about my efforts to expose the Elite.

4) For instance, my house has been raided by the police, claiming that there was a slaundering e-mail against the Rector of tanbul University, and they collected all my computers? hard disks. How do you comment this, as you know me since 1999, as a scientist trying to unveil the facts of secret socities.

This is appalling. There are several nations that have what they call "hate crime laws", that are ---> designed to stop the "freedom of speech" about exposing the Elite. Some are: Germany, UK and Canada, and they are trying to pass these laws here in the US as well...
... 5) Are you aware that since I purchased your book in the year 2000 and informed Turkish people and after, how Turkish society have become aware of the Global Elite? Compared to other countries Turkish people are very literate about these societies. What are your comments?

I am so glad that I was able to help in the exposure of the Elite. I have devoted the rest of my entire life to exposing these evil people.

6) What other countries are you aware of having access to these information and do you think is there enough resistance to the World Government, tried to be enforced by these Secret Societies established by the Global Elite?

Of course every nation that has access to the Internet has been exposed to this evil cabal. Many people in the European Union have been trying to resist the efforts of the Elite.

7) What is your opionion and ideas about this new Bilderberg Meeting in Istanbul?

Apparently the Bilderbergers are trying to be even more secretive about their meetings. So far no person knows exactly where they will be meeting. This means that this meeting is a VERY important one, so they don't want to risk any exposure of what they are planning.

8) Why do you think it is held in Istanbul this year!

Perhaps they have more control over the security of their meetings in Istanbul. Turkey has been the site of several Bilderberg meetings since it was founded.

22May07 - Significance of Constantinople as this year's venue
As a pivotal point in spiritual history, command centre of the Holy Roman empire later a major objective of the crusades Istanbul is a most significant place to meet. Particularly in a time in the epic East/West War on Terror battle when the Western military adventures in the Middle East have hit the buffers. This fact will be in the forefront of Bilderbergrs' minds.

As the so-called war on terror, so favoured by Bilderberg, teeters on the brink of disaster and credibility their task this year, should they chose to accept it, is to bolster the expansion of the US Empire and bring about 'regime change' in Iran by whatever means necessary.

Straddling the Bosphorus, its skyline studded with domes and minarets, Istanbul is one of the truly great romantic cities. Its history tracks back from Byzantium to Constantinople to its place at the head of the Ottoman Empire. Today it hums as Turkey's cultural heart and good-time capital.

How fitting then that those royalty, bankers, media moguls and politicians who believe they are destined to rule the world should chose this city for their dark plans to establish corporate elite global empire. Think big, think Bilderberg!
THINK 2010... THINK THE GREEK BANKRUPTCY... --->THINK BILDERBERG!!!

THINK TRANSFER OF US COASTAL WATERS... THINK BILDERBERG!!!

THINK "DEREGULATION"... THINK THE COLLAPSE OF THE DOLLAR, FREEZING JOB CREATION, AND WILL IT LEAD TO CHIPPING... THINK "GEITHNER" AS EARLY AS 2006---> THINK "FEDERAL RESERVE" ... RETHINK "CHIPPING"...

THAT'S ROCKY & HIS FIENDS

God Save America, and Protect All People From "DIABOLICAL GREED"

BILDERBERG 2009 AGENDA EXPOSED
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bilderberg_2009_179.html

AFP’s editor crashed the secret meeting of the global elite and uncovered some scary schemes

By James P. Tucker Jr.

Bilderberg boys are a bunch of grumpy old men but remain fiercely "dedicated to usurping sovereignty in the United States and throughout the world." Patriots can celebrate their setbacks but never let up: "Bilderberg still threatens the sovereignty of all nations while fighting for world government."

****Major goals remain exploiting the global recession and an imaginary “swine flu pandemic” to establish global departments of treasury and health under the United Nations.

****But at the May 14-17 meeting in Vouliagmeni, Greece, near Athens, Bilderberg took a keen interest in persuading the United States to surrender sovereignty to the International Criminal Court, or ICC.

Bilderberg is also setting up a “summit” in Israel June 8-11 so “the world’s leading regulatory experts” can “address the current economic situation in one forum,” said Zohar Goshen, chairman of a subgroup of the International Association of Securities Commissions (IOSCO). Mary Shapiro, chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, will represent this country.

Bilderberg found ---> President Obama a Willing Willie at its June, 2008 meeting in Chantilly, Va. near Washington. They were reassured when he chose their boy, ****Harold Koh, a strong advocate of the U.S. accepting the ICC, as the State Department’s top lawyer.

In the Penn State Law Review, Koh wrote sneeringly of “nationalists” who oppose surrendering sovereignty to international institutions, including the ICC. He praised the “transnationalist faction” on the Supreme Court and the wisdom of the jurists for their rejection of the “nationalist faction.”

“Generally speaking, the transnationalists tend to emphasize the interdependence between the United States and the rest of the world, while the nationalists tend instead to focus more on preserving American autonomy,” Koh wrote. “The transnationalists believe in and promote the blending of international and domestic law, while nationalists continue to maintain a rigid separation of domestic from foreign law.”

The “transnationalists view domestic courts as having a critical role to play in domesticating international law into U.S. law, while nationalists argue instead that only the political branches can internalize international law,”

Koh wrote. “Transnationalists believe that U.S. courts could and should use their interpretive powers to promote the development of a global legal system, while the nationalists tend to claim that U.S. courts should limit their attention to the development of a national system.”

Five Supreme Court justices have said, to Koh’s delight, that U.S. courts should take into consideration the rulings of foreign courts in deciding domestic cases."

2009 HAS COME AND GONE. YOU'VE SEEN IT FOR YOURSELVES.
Some were warned about Baxter Pharmeceuticals "the labs" and the patent they were given long before the MSM panic was started. Hmmmmmmm!
Have I ever, "lied" to you?

Caspian, MikeG, MikeQ, Kathy, robert, fred, Doug, ...

I've left you volumes of documented and dated material that has been proven to be time stamped proofs that most of the crises we and the rest of the world have faced for the past 5yrs has been orchestrated.
That aside from natural events and disasters there is diabolical force that refuses almost point blank to listen to or hear the voice of its people.
What you will see and read for your own eyes are articles that most Americans and their families that are being undermined may never come across.

NOW SEE THE 2010 BILDERBERG AGENDA AND WATCH CAREFULLY AS IT UNFOLDS BEFORE YOU- WHICH MEMBERS OF THE KABUKI THEATRE KNOWN AS THE CONGRESS & SENATE WILL BE PLAYED- "AGAINST WILL OF THE PEOPLE" TO ATTAIN IT.
Open the door to see what 2009 left behind
http://www.wariscrime.com/2009/05/07/news/leaked-agenda-of-the-bilderberg-group-meeting-2009/

*notice the arms dealing scandal
*Estulin's forecast and why
"...Estulin correctly predicted the housing crash and the 2008 financial meltdown as a result of what his sources inside Bilderberg told him the elite were planning based on what was said at their 2006 meeting in Canada and the 2007 conference in Turkey.
*the KINGMAKER THEORY which be applied to nations as well and it should.
*THE RETURN OF TRIPLE DIGIT OIL
*and reviews the midnight rendevous of the Obama/Hillary flight to the Bilderberg bat cave.
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2010
Bilderberg 2010 Agenda Leaked
Bilderberg 2010 Agenda Leaked

By James Corbett
All Rights Reserved © The Corbett Report

28 May, 2010

Veteran Bilderberg researcher and bestselling author Daniel Estulin has once again acquired a copy of the agenda for the annual meeting of the world’s power elite. In an exclusive interview with The Corbett Report earlier today, Estulin revealed what the Bilderbergers will be discussing at this year’s confab in Sitges, Spain on June 3-6, 2010.

Download an mp3 of the interview with Daniel Estulin or listen in the player below:

According to the documents—which Estulin obtained from his sources inside the secretive group—issues to be discussed in this year’s formal deliberations are:

1.Will the Euro Survive?
2.Development in Europe: Europe’s Exit Strategy…On Hold?
3.Do We Have Institutions to Deal With the World Economy?
4.Greece: Lessons and Forward-looking Strategies
5.NATO and Afghanistan: The Practical Agenda for the Alliance
6.Iran and Russia: Economic and Financial Threats to the Alliance
7.The Consequences of War Against Terrorism
8.The Influence of Domestic Issues on American Foreign Policy
9.The Outlook for Japan’s Economy
10.The Future of the U.S. Dollar: Alternative Scenarios
That the Bilderbergers – essentially a talking shop for European and North American power players – are interested in discussing the current meltdown of the European economy should come as no surprise, especially as the group’s attendee list includes many of the key financiers and string pullers who helped steer Europe into the crisis in the first place. Past attendees of the meeting include current EU President Herman Van Rompuy who got the job as the first non-elected head of the undemocratic European Union after a special wine and dine session with Bilderberg steering committee members. Last year he heralded the beginning of global government, praising the increased role of G20 in dealing with the global financial crisis. Other key Bilderbergers include Jean-Claude Trichet, who, as head of the European Central Bank, was instrumental in helping to craft the current European bailout which itself is designed to incentivize the bankruptcy of Europe. Trichet, too, also recently called for global government to regulate the world economic meltdown that his fellow Bilderbergers helped to create.

Those familiar with the Bilderberg group’s long-cherished dream of achieving global government through the creation of an international Financial Framework will be unsurprised to see that a debate on the question “Do We Have Institutions to Deal With the World Economy?” is the third order of business at this year’s meeting. Nor will it be a surprise when the question is inevitably answered with the standard globalist line that international institutions like the IMF and the World Bank need to be “strengthened” and even given enhanced regulatory powers as a result of the crisis they have brought about, exactly as Bilderberg observers have been predicting for years. Indeed, as Estulin himself notes in his latest book, Shadow Masters, former U.S. Undersecretary of State George Ball expressed the ambition of the globalists in an address to the 1968 Bilderberg meeting in Mont Tremblant when he stated that they were interested in developing a “world company” to take over the “archaic political structure of nation states”

Other items on the agenda are exactly in line with the issues and plans made at last year’s Bilderberg and those ideas debated at last year’s G20 Finance Ministers meeting, both of which Estulin was able to infiltrate with his inside sources. ***The fact that the Iran-Russia alliance is on this year’s agenda is doubly telling, not only because a strike against Iran was on the table at this year’s Trilateral Commission meeting, but because, as Estulin notes in today’s interview, it indicates that the real object of the Bilderbergers’ aggression against Iran is the destabilization of Russia, a country that has traditionally been a thorn in the side of the globalists.

***,,,thorn in the side of the globalists.

Perhaps the only thing that is surprising about this year’s leaked agenda is that the secretive group, which has gone to great length to conceal itself from media and public scrutiny, has failed to take precautions to prevent Estulin and his sources from acquiring the information yet again. “I’m a little bit disappointed in the Bilderbergers,” he said on the line from Spain, where he currently resides. “I would think they would have taken certain precautions and measures, especially coming to my part of the world.”

While the agenda is only a guide for the larger group discussions and the real decision-making takes place among the core members of the group behind closed doors, it does serve as an indicator of the issues and events that are preoccupying the globalists at this sensitive stage of their operation, just as they begin to realize their dream of instituting global government by "manufacturing a global depression."

****Even as these plans begin to come to fruition, the people of Iceland, ****Greece, and other developed countries are beginning to rise up en masse to throw off the yoke of financial oppression...
....and key Bilderbergers are openly talking of "their fears" of a global political awakening."http://avalonroundtable.wordpress.com/2010/07/06/bilderberg-2010-agenda-leaked/


EVERYONE ELSE IS ONTO TO THE BILDERBERG PLANS FOR ITS NWO-
CAN AMERICA BE THAT FAR BEHIND THEM?
who thinks that they can afford to wait to become a statistic.(Secretly Bilderberg bankers aided by the Dodd Bill are planning a 5% increase to the unemployment rolls.

DOUG- I see you're a conscientious objector to the Obama presidency. I'm sorry you don't like him; it's hard in bad times to not have faith in the guy at the top. I hope at least yours are smart and perceptive objections, and not the frankly quite silly (IMO) fears of some kind of regime change to a commie dictatorship.

I wish he'd get unemployed Americans building windmills by the hundreds of thousands, erecting them, maintaining them. It would do so much good, getting people working, boosting the economy, saving us billions in oil costs, etc.

What would you like to see him do? (Besides resign.)

Mike Q pines for nostalgia.

Progressive of the first half of the century were all about correct taxation and building infastructure with a beneiaficiary workforce.

In second part of the century the progessives were all about paying people to stay home and watch TV.

In the first half there was equal contribution. The second half was money transfer from a contributing public to a non or barely contributing public.

“Tea partiers say Obama is a socialist because he tried to bring about healthcare for all. I don't get the "logic" of that argument; if he had pushed for Medicare-for-all the socialism argument could have made a smidgen of sense. But instead Obama, in his compromises with Republicans, gave private insurers millions of new customers, a big boon for the private sector, and hardly socialist.” MQ

I say he is a Socialist not because of your ‘premise’ that he tried to bring about healthcare for all but because he is replacing a free society with one controlled by government. Picking and choosing certain private companies to bail out for various reasons is Socialist and IMO an abuse of government power. Mandating people buy Private insurance or Medicare is Socialist or even dictatorial if we don’t have an option to bow out. A mandated Medicare tax based only on wages to assist after retirement is totally different then a mandated purchase for all, even if not employed. This screams of government Socialism.

Mike Q, your view of a totally innocent Obama, out to help the people and trying to compromise with others is in my opinion, a fantasy. The Dems have the majority he did not have to compromise with the Republicans and he didn't, he setup Obamacare the way he did for reasons entirely his own. There are repercussions not evident in your statements. Many employers contributing to employee’s healthcare will now opt out if it gets too costly conveniently forcing people into exchanges setup by government. Insurance company’s forced to take on all those with pre-existing will not realize the boom you suspect, although I think they should cover anyone that needs insurance.

The bottom-line is Obamacare gives government a lot more power and takes power and choices away from the people. I don’t care if they are private exchanges or government bureaucracies anything government run or controlled is less freedom and power for us. If Obama would try to reduce the size of government, empower the people to be more independent with less control over our lives then he would lose the Socialist label. However, he obviously believes in government solutions over that of individual choices and solutions so that Socialist shoe fits him very comfortably.

When Obama tried to control gun's buying he was called names again. In the meantime I spoke with a 16 year old in Paterson, NJ and he told me he knew where to get a gun in NY. Great country. The wonder is "how come more people have not been killed yet?"

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