Guys, the quandary will still remain, same as it has always been perhaps even worse with the selection of those Tea Party frontmen and women that have been placed out there as your alternative choices to be the focal point in this election.
None of them has a clue, none of them present a remedy, and none them is saavy enough or can be taken seriously enough for them to gain access to mediate with the powers that can and will crush theirs and every aspiration that rides on their coattails in a single soundbyte moment, whenever they stop being amusing buffers for their other trained monkeys and pitbulls.
The only reason these individuals are getting the airtime is to constantly remind us that winning under these conditions [UNLIMITED CORPORATE CAMPAIGN FUNDING]costs oodles of money that rational people will not expend for these terminally flawed candidates.

To say that the Dick Armey right wing didn't orchestrate the outcomes with inordinate subterrainean spending or the Grizzlie Mamas trance provoking endorsements is a gross understatement of today's reality show hypnotics and the audiences it attracts.

There are no worthy Tea Party candidates that represent mainstream America, except for the prodigeous area of tax and spending reform. And there is no money for jobs forthcoming from the private sector unless the Tea Party contingent is willing to throw all education, healthcare and fiscal reform under the bus. And still, the new jobs the private sector will entertain will at the end of all of these purges- will be of the "entry level" non benefit kind THAT YOU DEMANDED AND CALLED FOR.
The privates having gotten all that they have asked for- will again up the stakes once more and have wages, stunted by comparing the costs against foreign investment. Especially, since there is nothing in writing, and no Democrat bill left to worry about that compels them to invest in job growth here.
So tell me, what is the total net gain.
Is it the prize of venting frustration in a crazed frenzied moblike mentality kind of way- a joy worthy of respect when the dust settles. Or is it a 2nd Detroit in awaiting. "Oh shit, We shouldn't have done it, they don't care about us or the message that was intended, like they do about the other enemies they've vanquished and pillaged." Oooops!

Isn't willingly adding, more unbalanced freaks to the freakshow- just like putting the nuclear option directly into the hands of the manipulators?

One thing is certain and that is that we have no clue where these folks are headed or who their handlers are- ...nevermind what insane policys they might try to invoke.
Second- at least two of the ditzy divas have already exposed themselves as whimsical, devil may care, "insiders" with connections.
Third- Ron Paul had already forewarned us that his sons values in no way were a reflection of his own a whole year before his "selection". Duh!


So yeah, alternate party with a plan, ok- I'm with it. Getting behind the Tea Party and it's mindless meandering freakshow frontmen and women - NOT A CHANCE

For now I am semi-partial to the notion that president Obama will clean house in that "business as usual" cabinet, expel that racketeer Geithner, and bring in rational good people like a Ron Paul to bring about the Fair Trade negotiations that he has promised.

He has already found a place for Elizabeth Warren now heading the Consumer Protections Board against credit card and fine print contract extortions.
He has eliminated the preexisting conditions loophole that vampire blood sucking insurers employ readily against their loyal customer base.
Kept the American automobile industry American when Republicans were dialing in the Jap connection and demanding that the workers in their state accept the lower standard wages/benefits package.

NOW HE HAS TO GET DOWN TO BUSINESS! HE STILL HAS MONEY REMAINING IN HIS KICKER FROM THE STIMULUS- $240B OF IT.

THE BANKERS HAVE DONE NOTHING THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO WITH THE $3.1TRILLION THAT THEY WERE GIVEN BY THE GEITHNER/PAULSON FED.
They didn't end foreclosures as they had promised when they wereon their knees and begging to be kept alive.

They didn't lend to small businesses, yet worked around the system through the the IMF and World Bank to get even more taxpayer money which they have again lent to themselves.

THEY DON'T WANT REGULATION, ...THE END OF FREE TRADE OR ...PAY TAXES AS "MULTI-NATIONAL TOO BIG TO FAILS" FOR THE NATIONAL DEFICIT THAT WAS AND IS THEIR FIDUCIARY RESPONCIBILITY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Obama wants to reign them in. Republicans and the Tea Party see "status quo" and "insurrection" astheir solution to this terminal problem.
THE BANKS WILL KEEP MILKING THE TIT UNTIL THE WHOLE BODY IS SHRIVELED.

Wise up!

Way better! Can't wait to start breaking down this regime.

DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE FROM THESE DEMOCRATS:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that this administration and these Democrats are attempting to take away our unalienable rights, of life with limited government, of individual liberties and the opportunity to pursuit our own happiness.

This November whether Tea party candidate, Independent or Republican, we have an opportunity to take our country back and free ourselves from this out of control, governmental power grab. Then slowly but surely things will get a whole lot better.

“we have an opportunity to take our country back.”-MG

Actually, I’d like to take our country forward, not back. OK, I’m playing with words. You didn’t mean you wanted to make us a backward country. But then, if you’re conservative, maybe a revival of 1950s social and religious expectations sounds like a positive thing. The problem is, once something passes, is no longer a living part of society, there is no bringing it back without IMPOSING it, and then so much for “freedom.”

Oops, I’m started up. Ummm, vaguely along these lines…

Conservatives’ clannish focus on the family rather than on the broader family of Man seems to reflect the conviction that the world will always adjust its fertility so as to keep humanity forever, inevitably in a state of shortage. While there are shortages of various kinds in some places, there are also surpluses in others, and however great the surplus may be where the conservative lives the dog-eat-dog ethos nonetheless prevails.

Shortages of food are hard to put forth in most of America, so shortages in other facets must be made to compensate. If a surplus of income makes it hard to argue personal shortages, the conservative adjusts his spending habits to create personal shortages, to vindicate his worldview. He buys a Mcmansion, which requires storeloads of furniture to fill, multiple giant plasma TVs, a v6 lawnmower. It costs a bundle to heat, cool, clean, maintain, and gets taxed heavily. Put an SUV in the garage, along with the boat and the Winnebago and the trailbikes, and what does he experience? A shortage of space, a shortage of savings, a shortage of time, a shortage of patience. He feels tied down, has some vague perception of need but with no idea what need really is. But he has his shortages.

Surely there’s a real shortage of jobs, though, right? Again, it’s taken a prolonged concerted effort to send all those factory jobs overseas to create this apparent job shortage. You know, though, a few miles from where I live is a mini-mall entirely populated by craftspeople. The place has been around for years, and has done well all that time, despite a major traffic flow problem (despite being a smallish town) and an insufficient “destination worthiness” or whatever to call it,-ie it’s not big enough to make it quite worth inching through traffic for 45 minutes to get to it. But people apparently hunger for what locals they can talk to make one item at a time by hand. Handcrafting is labor intensive, employing lots of people for a limited output. Because there is no glut of goods, the craftsman gets adequate compensation for his work. Prices for the consumer are higher, making him value and care for the goods rather than wasting them. It’s a spiritual win/win for society to encourage craftsmanship, and provides gainful work at a time when cold greed is selling off our factory jobs.

Still not enough jobs? Like ancient Egyptians building huge pyramids, the awesome projects we have ahead of us should be able to employ most able-bodied people, if only politicians and financiers can give the go-ahead. Windmills are huge. Constructing hundreds of thousands of them would reopen abandoned factory buildings, employ large numbers of unskilled, semi-skilled, and professional workers for years to come. Dispersed solar-power generation from the roofs of malls and pizza parlors and office buildings and hospitals, etc, provides piecemeal work for part-time or seasonal workers. Investors love windmills; the return on their investment is good, it’s sure, and the market is only in its infancy.

The entire harsh, draconian dog-eat-dog ethos needs shortages to make any kind of sense. The conservative always suffers a shortage of freedom, of respect, of values, of security, of breathing space, and snaps at liberals or immigrants or whatever for imposing this suffering on him, when it’s a suffering he chooses, clings to, to let him be able to believe with conviction his view of the world.

(This is called a conversation starter.)

mike q: When is the last time you stood near an operating wind mill. Probably not in a while, because they make a hell of a lot of noise. Advocating putting them in residential areas shows a severe lack of knowlege.

And dude the gross generalizations you use to describe one who is "conservative" is laughable at best.

Next.

"Advocating putting them (windmills) in residential areas shows a severe lack of knowlege."-fred

1) Can't put them in residential areas
2) Almost never are residential areas sufficiently and reliably windy enough
3) Nowhere did I say a word about putting them in residential areas, right?

"the gross generalizations you use to describe one who is 'conservative'"...

The conversation begins.

Mike Q as always, you force me to dig deep and think, rather then fire back with conservative talking points. I really don’t label myself a conservative only that I believe in a lot of the same things conservative’s value. Such as, family, tradition, freedom, individuality, belief in God, and so on.

I don’t have a problem with forward progress, as long as the motive is to fix what is broke and not to destroy something that works in order to follow some sort of politically correct agenda. If “progressive” is related to progress then wind power has it’s roots in ancient times, hardly an example of moving forward but more like moving backward for a purpose. That purpose is not a forward thinking way to generate clean energy because wind farms can’t come close to matching our current ways to produce power. That purpose is environmental, materialistic or one of ideology because it is politically correct to be “green”.

Don’t get me wrong, I am all for cleaner and better ways to produce energy and ways to create jobs. Improved affordable solar power is probably a much better way. When better, affordable technology comes along, then we all are eager to move forward, including conservatives. However, there are disciples of Al Gore, that believe solidly in the unproven idea of man made global warming and demand we must all follow their religion. That is the progressive way, to force their belief on us. We must all go backward to the stone age, in order to save this planet. This is not done particularly for the noble purpose of cleaning the environment in a reasonable manner but to force progressive ideas and more control upon the masses.

What you also fail to see, in this utopia of yours, is that the thirst for greed that is never satisfied, is not exclusive to conservatives but is part of the nature of evil man. Where the progressives may do a better job of hiding this nature, it still exists. Did it ever occur to you that the push for alternative energy has more to do with the almighty dollar, then the betterment of man? I wonder? If we could heat our homes and run our cars on tap water at no cost to us, would these same environmentalist and the government allow it? Of course not! “What’s in it for us“, they say to themselves!

(remember you started the conversation)

The conversation continues.

For Those Near, the Miserable Hum of Clean Energy

By TOM ZELLER Jr. NY Times 10/5/10

VINALHAVEN, Me. — Like nearly all of the residents on this island in Penobscot Bay, Art Lindgren and his wife, Cheryl, celebrated the arrival of three giant wind turbines late last year. That was before they were turned on.

“In the first 10 minutes, our jaws dropped to the ground,” Mr. Lindgren said. “Nobody in the area could believe it. They were so loud.”

Now, the Lindgrens, along with a dozen or so neighbors living less than a mile from the $15 million wind facility here, say the industrial whoosh-and-whoop of the 123-foot blades is making life in this otherwise tranquil corner of the island unbearable.

They are among a small but growing number of families and homeowners across the country who say they have learned the hard way that wind power — a clean alternative to electricity from fossil fuels — is not without emissions of its own.

Lawsuits and complaints about turbine noise, vibrations and subsequent lost property value have cropped up in Illinois, Texas, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Massachusetts, among other states.

In one case in DeKalb County, Ill., at least 38 families have sued to have 100 turbines removed from a wind farm there. A judge rejected a motion to dismiss the case in June.

Like the Lindgrens, many of the people complaining the loudest are reluctant converts to the antiwind movement.

“The quality of life that we came here for was quiet,” Mrs. Lindgren said. “You don’t live in a place where you have to take an hour-and-15-minute ferry ride to live next to an industrial park. And that’s where we are right now.”

The wind industry has long been dogged by a vocal minority bearing all manner of complaints about turbines, from routine claims that they ruin the look of pastoral landscapes to more elaborate allegations that they have direct physiological impacts like rapid heart beat, nausea and blurred vision caused by the ultra-low-frequency sound and vibrations from the machines.

In the Vinalhaven case, an audio consultant hired by the Maine Department of Environmental Protection determined last month that the 4.5-megawatt facility was, at least on one evening in mid-July when Mr. Lindgren collected sound data, in excess of the state’s nighttime sound limits. The developer of the project, Fox Island Wind, has contested that finding, and negotiations with state regulators are continuing.

Maine, along with many other states, puts a general limit on nighttime noise at 45 decibels — roughly equivalent to the sound of a humming refrigerator. A normal conversation is in the range of 50 to 60 decibels.

In almost all cases, it is not mechanical noise arising from the central gear box or nacelle of a turbine that residents react to, but rather the sound of the blades, which in modern turbines are mammoth appendages well over 100 feet long, as they slice through the air.

Turbine noise can be controlled by reducing the rotational speed of the blades. But the turbines on Vinalhaven already operate that way after 7 p.m., and George Baker, the chief executive of Fox Island Wind — a for-profit arm of the island’s electricity co-operative — said that turning the turbines down came at an economic cost.

A common refrain among homeowners grappling with sound issues, however, is that they were not accurately informed about the noise ahead of time. “They told us we wouldn’t hear it, or that it would be masked by the sound of the wind blowing through the trees,” said Sally Wylie, a former schoolteacher down the road from the Lindgrens. “I feel duped.”

Similar conflicts are arising in Canada, Britain and other countries. An appeals court in Rennes, France, recently ordered an eight-turbine wind farm to shut down between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. so residents could get some sleep.

Richard R. James, an acoustic expert hired by residents of Vinalhaven to help them quantify the noise problem, said there was a simpler solution: do not put the turbines so close to where people live.

“It would seem to be time for the wind utility developers to rethink their plans for duplicating these errors and to focus on locating wind turbines in areas where there is a large buffer zone of about a mile and one-quarter between the turbines and people’s homes,” said Mr. James, the principal consultant with E-Coustic Solutions, based in Michigan.

“I remember the sound of silence so palpable, so merciless in its depths, that you could almost feel your heart stop in sympathy,” she said. “Now we are prisoners of sonic effluence. I grieve for the past.”

LA Times-SACRAMENTO, CA (KGO) --

Thousands of documents show 69 million in welfare dollars have been spent out of state, some at vacation resorts. The discovery is leading to new legislation to prevent welfare abuse.

One lawmaker is calling for an end to taxpayer-funded vacations, as he calls it, for welfare recipients.

Welfare offices in California have been jam-packed during this recession with applicants needing cash assistance for basic needs like food and shelter.

A Los Angeles Times analysis found $69 million was spent outside state lines during a three and a half year period beginning in January 2007 at tourist destinations like Las Vegas, Hawaiian beaches and cruise ships in Florida. Critics call that "taxpayer-funded vacations" at a time when taxpayers can't afford one themselves.

Benefits are deposited electronically onto welfare cards that are used like a debit card in stores or to withdraw cash at certain ATMs.

The Times analysis found nearly $12 million was spent in Las Vegas, $1.5 million in Florida, $387,908 in Hawaii, and $16,010 withdrawn from ATMs on cruise ships.

But welfare supporters point out $69 million is less than 1 percent of the $11 billion the state gave out during that period.

The state says accounts aren't normally flagged until out-of-state transactions continue for more than 30 days because recipients aren't supposed to be gone that long.

Another problem is when welfare recipients don't use certain ATMs, taxpayers pick up those extra fees. Last year, the state paid more than $11 million in ATM surcharges, and we'll likely surpass that this year because bank fees have gone up.

oops!

"fix what is broke and not to destroy something that works...wind power has it’s roots in ancient times"-MG

Left and right have lists of things that worked in the past and were abandoned for things that maybe looked better in the short term but were worse in the long term. Native Americans farmed and hunted in ways that would have been sustainable for thousands of generations; our use of fossil fuel based fertilizers and pesticides looked like it could feed the world without consequence, so we spurned the proven ways. Now we feel more and more that we're being "forced" to start returning to the old ways because the consequences of the clever new ways are becoming clearer all the time.


Generations of grain millers fortunate enough to live by a stream had forever sustainable power to turn the grindstone. Now some lucky people are getting to use those old mills again, and don't feel a bit deprived. While photovoltaic cells are a new technology, it's a method of making use of the wise old idea of using the eternal sun for our needs instead of burning finite and polluting fossil fuels.

And Mike, why the scandalous disapproval that investors in green technologies will make money? They're not selling drugs to school kids, they're taking a risk hoping they can sell or lease their developed energy systems. They're the right's heroes, free enterprise entrepreneurs.

"We must all go backward to the stone age, in order to save this planet." It's hardly the stone age to have electric power in our homes and businesses, power that looks exactly the same whether it comes from oil or from photovoltaics. Such over the top language is what gets put forward by those who are afraid of any change, even if this change lets us go right ahead powering our plasma TVs for thousands of years to come instead of having to cut back more and more as oil gets scarcer.

The right has its list of old ways that look good again, too. If to the left some of these ways look a bit Talibanish, and so we resist them, so too the right resists the left's old ways that might slightly eat into the profits of those businesses that are too slow to adjust to the inevitable weaning from fossil fuels. These are exciting times to live in, and people get excited. That's why we need to keep picking at the words and narratives used by the "sides", until we have unbiased information to consider.

That's why we need to keep picking at the words and narratives used by the "sides", until we have unbiased information to consider.

oh my gosh...an ephiphany from comrade q

"keep picking at the words and narratives"-Q

"oh my gosh...an ephiphany from comrade q"-fred

Yeah, right. It's only what I've been saying to Mike G over and over until he must be getting tired of my repetition.

I read your article. Those rather rare places that have good wind zones within earshot of residential areas, and where wind farms have been erected, show unwise town council action and apparently the investor's expectation of selling his investment before anything untoward happens, such as lawsuits or town growth interfering with wind flow. Towns strapped for cash, having unproductive land (not bringing in tax revenue), can yield to the temptation to sell to a windfarm developer when they know it's too close to residences. That's not the technology that's bad, or the push to use it; it's ordinary bad decisions, and they can give the technology a bad name, undeservedly. What town council would give the go-ahead to build a coal-fired power plant within sight and smell of residences? A desperate one? A bribed one?

“Left and right have lists of things that worked in the past and were abandoned for things that maybe looked better in the short term but were worse in the long term.“ MQ

Really they were abandoned out of necessity with so many more people the simpler ways of doing thing must be improved upon in order to support the vastly higher population and if that improvement should cause more harm then good, then we should move on to better things and not retreat to the past.

“And Mike, why the scandalous disapproval that investors in green technologies will make money? “ MQ

If it is based on truth, necessity or improvement then I am all for it. If it is predicated on deception in order to control or make money, then that is where I disapprove. I have a friend who is an environmentalist. I am all for practical recycling, reducing pollution and saving energy with better light bulbs and the like but he is already talking about waterless toilets and burying food in the backyard for compost. That is what I mean by stone age.

We are very similar in that we are both fighting excess and abuse. I am on your side against unbridled abuse of resources and disregard for the environment for financial gain. Ideally the goal would be to increase our quality of life, without destroying the Earth in the process and so there must be checks and balances, a give and take, so to speak. Where we differ greatly is I see abuses by both the free wheelers and the governmental authorities but you seem to feel government imposed anything, is always right. Seemingly good choices forced upon us, must also be kept in check as well. Instead of regulating individuals to be compliant with one rule after another, as though we are not capable of making good choices. They should be controlling the abusive entity and allow individuals the freedom to invent better technologies and the benefits will be obvious. For example, a better, cheaper, light bulb that saves us energy and money will be gladly purchased making the incandescent obsolete. However, an electric car that goes 40 miles between charges will not be welcome by the masses, until that technology improves. Therefore in both examples, government regulation or pressure to comply, would not be the answer. The individual will make the right choice naturally.

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