The fire typifies the issues of expanding services in this country. Hard decision need to be made for what is important and what is not. In this case a basic service was not given and that is a shame. There are so many wasted services in our budgets. Such as giving section 8 housing and Medicaid to noncitizens. Allowing hospitals to use their Emergency Departments as a clinic, this could be prevented by each person receiving an MSE at triage. Then for non-emergent non-life threatening conditions each patient could receive a referral to a clinic. Having ever expanding services will eventually bankrupt us and force the hard decisions.

Should the government let someone bleed to death in agony outside a hospital? Should the government watch while someone is beaten to death in front of a police station? Should the government become a totally cold and immoral corporate parasite? Why bother with government at all? Just leave everyone on his own, because people cost a buck or two and that seems to be unforgiveable today. What has this country become? How low will we sink before we become ashamed and shape up?

The Obsolete Man

No. Govt should not let homes burn. But govt does not provide free services either. Someone has to pay.

In incorporated areas those services are paid for by local property and sometimes sales taxes.

In unincorporated areas, one has to rely on the state (police) for services, or pay the nearest town(fire)for services. Even for public schooling,one must pay tuition to the nearest town.

If one lives out in the boonies and chooses not to pay the $6.25 month fee for fire service...then I think they are on their own. However, I do think the fire dept should have put out the fire and then possibly charged for it.

Rye Brook NY, where the RNN studios are located, pays a fee to nearby Port Chester volunteers for fire protection service. If Rye Brook stopped paying, Port Chester would stop responding.

Caspian: Brilliant!!! A Five Star Masterpiece. Start working on your acceptance speech at this years Emmy Awards.
Perhaps our Republican't and Democrap fans will begin to take notice of where corporate NWO and their paid by lobbyist shills are leading us now.

2010 Best Non-Fiction Short Film Edit- Caspian

Thanks Spirit.

LOL

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

"The Obsolete Man"

An abbreviated version of the original Twilight Zone written in 1961. The Librarian survives by changing his name to “Mickey” and then resurfaces to train Rocky, a poor underdog that beats all the odds to achieve the American dream.

Is it NWO or a vision of a ‘seemingly’ more civilized future of man? It is every bit as harsh as the old regimes but put forth as one that is kinder to the masses. A future where government decides what you should believe in. Individual thought, family values, belief in a creator or disagreement with man made global warming is considered wrong, foolish or obsolete. Man’s freedoms and expressions are dictated and accepted by a government standard, individual thoughts are severely frowned upon.

Obsolete expressions like “Merry Christmas” are no longer allowed. It has been decreed to not be politically correct and therefore “obsolete”. We are only allowed to use the words and expressions the government declares acceptable.

Don’t let this be our future. Let’s be free enough to be ourselves and respect others by obeying the “Golden Rule”. This will make the thought of big government regulating our lives truly obsolete.

Don’t let this be our future. Let’s be free enough to be ourselves and respect others by obeying the “Golden Rule”. This will make the thought of big government regulating our lives truly obsolete.
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It already materialized many years ago when Reagan/Bush increased the size of government with the largest deficits until Bush/Cheney with the largest deficits and now Obama.

The only thing that matters is what is good for Wall Street and what is good for Congress prostitutes.

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Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
Benito Mussolini

Franklin Roosevelt, a great Democrat, said, "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob."

3 of Every 4 Oil Lobbyists Worked for U.S. Gov't
Washington Post: Among Those Lobbyists Are 18 Former Members of Congress and Dozens of Presidential Appointees / July 21, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/24999vz
Three out of every four lobbyists who represent oil and gas companies previously worked in the federal government, a proportion that far exceeds the usual revolving-door standards on Capitol Hill, a Washington Post analysis shows.

Key lobbying hires include 18 former members of Congress and dozens of former presidential appointees. For other senior management positions, the industry employs two former directors of the Minerals Management Service, the since-renamed agency that regulates the industry, and several top officials from the Bush White House. Federal inspectors once assigned to monitor oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico have landed jobs with the companies they regulated.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/22/politics/washingtonpost/main6702686.shtml

History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.-James Madison

If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.-Andrew Jackson


The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.-Abraham Lincoln

Issue of currency should be lodged with the government and be protected from domination by Wall Street. We are opposed to...provisions [which] would place our currency and credit system in private hands.- Theodore Roosevelt

"It already materialized many years ago when Reagan/Bush increased the size of government with the largest deficits until Bush/Cheney with the largest deficits and now Obama."-Casp


Caspian, I agree, the Republicans spent too much and created deficits and favored corporations and as you indicate and have said before the Democrats and Obama are no different. However, "The obsolete man" goes beyond irresponsible spending. It has much more to do with the idea that government should decide what is real, what is right, what is best for you and me. That “we” as individuals have no right to speak or act freely and make our own decisions but must act according to what government deems is worthwhile.

There is no question in my mind, that this administration is much closer to following that path, the path of controlling the words and actions and freedom of the individual, more then any other administration, that I am aware of.

There is no question in my mind, that this administration is much closer to following that path, the path of controlling the words and actions and freedom of the individual, more then any other administration, that I am aware of.

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I felt the same way about the 8 years of Bush/Cheney.

Spying on all Americans without a court order is 100% against the United States Constitution.

Obama is continuing most of Bush/Cheney policies proving he is not a liberal/progressive.

Obama took Glass/Steagall and Single Payer off the table even before any debate.

Obama and Bush bailed out Wall Street and not main street.

Washington DC is corrupt with "Pay To Play" and the revolving door.

Wall Street and the prostitutes in Congress always win and "We The People" always lose.

The Surveillance State Threatens All of Us
By Philip Giraldi CIA Ret. / 07/16/09 / http://tinyurl.com/mbddjr
When you hear the word "security" or "safety" watch out. They are the two buzz words that are most often used by the government, whether federal or local, to fearmonger. Fear can be used to drive bad policies that otherwise would be rejected. It has consequences, internationally, nationally, and locally. Around the world Americans fight wars because they are afraid that if they do not do so they will be attacked by terrorists. Nationally, the Department of Homeland Security grows and grows, compiling extensive data bases on citizens who have done no wrong. Locally, police forces grow larger and larger in spite of falling crime rates. What is certain about the consequence of fear is that those who sell it to increase government powers do so in the full knowledge that it will cost lots of taxpayer money and will also wind up infringing on civil liberties. Make no mistake, the post 9/11 United States is moving gradually towards becoming a police state-lite and no one seems to care very much. But don't worry, it is all happening to make you more safe and secure. / http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=138

""Those willing to sacrifice freedom for temporary security will lose both."--Benjamin Franklin



Warning: Internet Crisis!
By Daniel O'Connor

Published 10/05/10

The internet is one of the last few aspects of modern America that is relatively free from government control. The main reason being is that it is protected by the First Amendment. In Addition, the internet has become an invaluable aspect of society through which we have transformed our entire way of life and the way in which we interact. Through the internet, we are able to live free from government interference, from both a social and economic standpoint.

Bureaucrats who feel the need to control this country do not like this. They prefer to control our lives and tax our earnings so that they can maintain and expand their own power. They believe that they know what is best for society and how we should lead our own lives and conduct business. Over the centuries they have expanded their influence into almost every aspect of American society, both socially and economically. However, the internet is one entity that they have yet to seize control over...so far.

Given the level of importance that we place on the internet, the consensus remains that Americans are not willing to let the government begin to control our precious internet freedom--similar to the way in which Americans cherished freedom in everyday life, prior to the presidency of Herbert Hoover/Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1929-1945). These presidents were able to gain control over American society in the midst of "crises". In the event of a crisis, citizens have a tendency to surrender their freedom in exchange for "security" as offered by the government. It is through this very same means that the government will begin to infiltrate, and gain control over, the internet.

The day has yet to come, but once a major problem occurs through the use of the internet, power-hungry bureaucrats will be certain to exploit this opportunity in order to gain control. Some of the potential examples are as follows:

-A terrorist infects a U.S. government database with a virus and therefore the government should expand its control over the internet in order to continue fighting terrorism.

-Children are exposed to too many evils on the internet and therefore the government must step in to prevent this.

-Intellectual property is not thoroughly protected on the internet and therefore the government must take over in order to enforce these laws.

-A war. It may be a war with another nation. Or our government may concoct a new misleading slogan similar to their "war on terror", "war on drugs", "war on poverty", etc.

It is very easy to blame the internet (the communications medium) and to claim that if only we had, say, an "internet security" system in place our children would be "safer". In response, a large national movement will take place blaming "the internet" and "freedom".

A president will then go on to launch an aggressive push to begin control over our once-beloved internet. Many of the scared parents across the nation will then demand that the government protect their children from the evils of society that "infect the internet". Concurrently, the many industries and businesses that have suffered, due to better competition online, will lobby in support of the president. The defense contractors who profit from increased defense measures will also lobby on behalf of the president. For added strength, the many power-hungry politicians such as long-time senators *Joe Lieberman and John D. Rockefeller IV will also get behind the president under the guise of "security".

In fact, many of these actors have already begun their attack on the internet through gimmicks such as government regulated "net neutrality". All they need now is the right "crisis" to appear. In a testimony to congress, Rockefeller defined "cybersecurity perpetrated through the internet as the #1 national hazard of attack on the homeland... ". This is one justification for increased government control.

****(Mr. Rockefeller, Is the internet the #1 hazard of attack to American security or is it the fact that the U.S. government has been bombing the rest of the world and interfering in the affairs of other cultures and nations for so many decades?)

Our current president has already come out in support of internet control. As recent presidents generally prefer to empower the central government and disempower the individual, Obama predictably supports a need to ramp up cybersecurity in the name of "public safety and national security" (5:35 min) and a need to "maintain our military dominance". In fact, this same speech touches on the threat of "weapon of mass disruption" similar to his predecessor in marketing the Iraq invasion.

Many of the powerful forces gathered around Washington DC are poised to launch a fierce attack on Internet Freedom; so as individuals we must be prepared to defend the First Amendment of The Constitution, as our government has little regard for this document which was initially written in order to restrain the role of government and protect our individual liberties. We can be certain that this attack on our internet will come in the near future and will hit in full force once the right "crisis" arrives.

(In order to develop a better understanding for the way in which governments manipulate "crisis" in order to enhance their own agenda and control over the citizens, an excellent primer is "The Road to Serfdom" written by Frederick Hayek, which is one of the best-selling books in history.)

Before the crisis arrives, we should all be mindful of the scare tactics that our government makes use of in order to expand its own power base. The "war on terror" was been blown way out of proportion and keeps people in fear to this day. We must not allow the government to scare us and "keep fear alive" any longer.


"Those willing to sacrifice freedom for temporary security will lose both."--Benjamin Franklin

“Without Freedom of thought, there can be no such Thing as Wisdom; and no such thing as public Liberty, without Freedom of speech”-Benjamin Franklin

“If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom.”-Dwight David Eisenhower

“Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security”
-Benjamin Franklin

“A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither”-Thomas Jefferson

“There are those who will say that the liberation of humanity, the freedom of man and mind is nothing but a dream. They are right. It is the American Dream.”-Archibald MacLeish

BRAIN TEASER: “The result [Republicans winning the Senate] would be devastating for reproductive choice, the environment, civil liberties, Social Security and health care, as well as corporate accountability.”-???

Warning: Internet Crisis!

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John

Excellent piece & quotes.

Today I seen Obama blaming the Internet and Twitter instead of Cable TV and Right Wing Radio.

John, you provide some excellent, excellent quotes and article. I would like a shot at your brain teaser using only the words you provide. Here goes:

BRAIN TEASER: “The result [Republicans winning the Senate] would be devastating for reproductive choice, the environment, civil liberties, Social Security and health care, as well as corporate accountability.”-???

CORPORATE ACCOUNTABILITY – reference-“Warning: Internet Crisis! Published 10/05/10” “Our current president has already come out in support of internet control… “Concurrently, the many industries and businesses that have suffered, due to better competition online, will lobby in support of the president… “Before the crisis arrives, we should all be mindful of the scare tactics that our government makes use of in order to expand its own power base.” DEMOCRAT OBAMA IS PRESIDENT.

HEALTH CARE – reference- “If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given MEDICAL CARE and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom.”-Dwight David Eisenhower – GOVERNMENT MANDATED OBAMACARE.

SOCIAL SECURITY – reference- “If you want total SECURITY, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom.”-Dwight David Eisenhower – GOVERNMENT RUN SOCIAL SECURITY.

CIVIL LIBERTIES – reference -“A society that will TRADE a little LIBERTY for a little ORDER will lose both, and deserve neither”-Thomas Jefferson - See also- “Warning: Internet Crisis! Bureaucrats who feel the need to control this country do not like this. “THEY” prefer to CONTROL our lives and TAX OUR EARNINGS so that they can maintain and expand their own power. – “THEY” = THE GOVERNMENT, ESPECIALLY THESE DEMOCRATS.

THE ENVIRONMENT – reference -“Warning: Internet Crisis!” All they need now is the right "crisis" to appear. This is one justification for increased government control. MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING, DEMOCRAT CAP AND TRADE BILL.

REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE – reference-“Warning: Internet Crisis!” “Many of the scared parents across the nation will then demand that the government protect their children from the evils of society.” PRO CHOICE STILL EXISTS IN SPITE OF THE REPUBLICANS.

Caspian, John, So how do we solve this puzzle?

We seem to value freedom and liberty and agree with the great words of our leaders of the past. Yet, we are divided on what is the real threat to our freedoms today. Perhaps, we are exposing the same corruption from a different angle, while holding on to a reason for hope. I suppose, if someday we elect true and honest leaders who represent us, instead of themselves, then we will find agreement.

We seem to value freedom and liberty and agree with the great words of our leaders of the past

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Go back to the principles of our founding fathers who believed political parties are dangerous.

OR

Third and Fourth parties who are not backed by Wall Street.


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U.S. companies buy back stock in droves as they hold record levels of cash
October 7, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/2epydce
For months, companies have been sitting on the sidelines with record piles of cash, too nervous to spend. Now they're starting to deploy some of that money - not to hire workers or build factories, but to prop up their share prices.
Sitting on these unprecedented levels of cash, U.S. companies are buying back their own stock in droves. So far this year, firms have announced they will purchase $273 billion of their own shares, more than five times as much compared with this time last year, according to Birinyi Associates, a stock market research firm. But the rise in buybacks signals that many companies are still hesitant to spend their cash on the job-generating activities that could produce economic growth.
Some companies are buying back shares partly because they don't want to invest in developing new products or services while consumer demand remains weak, analysts said.
"They don't know what they want to do with all the cash they're sitting on," said Zachary Karabell, president of RiverTwice Research.
Historically low interest rates are also prompting some companies to borrow to repurchase shares.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/06/AR2010100606772_pf.html

"GOVERNMENT RUN SOCIAL SECURITY."-MG

Lots of people quite a bit smarter than you or I am about financial matters lost their savings in the market when they were so sure they were too clever to not make a bundle, and thrilled with the feeling of the freedom to outdo other people (their profit would have to come from the losses of others). Now, how many people can lose their savings before we would have a national crisis as bad as the Depression? Keeping the mass of the population financially somewhat secure is a matter of national security, and ego-driven feelings of cleverness, total control of one's life, and "freedom" have to take second place to national security. We cannot make likely a national catastrophe merely to indulge the adolescent fantasies of a minority of the population. If you socked away money all your life only to lose it all when the market goes south, I guarantee you would not shrug it off and say oh well it was just the luck of the draw but at least you were "free" to make the bad decisions that lost you everything. La-di-da, oh well, that cardboard box looks like it will make a fine dwelling for the several decades of your retirement.

No, it's not just about your feelings, it's taking care of the long-term survival of the country. The good of the masses trumps the excessive need for feelings of autonomy some few are afflicted with. We're not the wild west frontier anymore. We can't live as if we still are. Time to adjust to the reality that we are becoming Japan or Europe, not because of weakness or lack of manliness or because of liberalism or socialist plots, but because we can no longer run away to wide-open spaces when we don't like our neighbors or our politicians. Time to behave respectfully to our neighbors and control our urges to "diss" a race or religion or nationality (see my comment under the "I didn't mean for anybody to get hurt" topic).

Mike Q, we cannot seem to come to agreement when it comes to matters of freedom. I don't believe in a government having to protect every free decision we make, especially a government that has been proven to be untrustworthy in that regard. The only difference with this government and private industry, is when this government abuses its power and spends too much, it simply goes to the taxpayers to get more. Instead, it should be acting responsibly.

As for the 401K's. There is risk in investing. the more risk you take the more you stand to gain. The key is education and diversity. Nobody, has lost money in the banks, thanks to the government. So why not simply save money in the bank instead? The reason is, people want more and will risk more to get it, that is their free choice. That's what makes it okay. Social Security is not a free choice. It would be an ultimate corruption if we were to lose that, being mandated to invest.

Now before John gets on my case. I recognize completely that what happened leading up to the 2008 meltdown was NOT business as usual but was lawlessness and abuse caused by certain financial institutes and corporations. Who is responsible for protecting us from that abuse? The government! How did they handle the abusers? Who got punished? Who paid for the meltdown? The answer is WE PAID FOR IT! Now is that the kind of government you want to invest your money in?

If Mike Q gambled all his savings in the stock market and lost it, it would be whose fault?

"If Mike Q gambled all his savings in the stock market and lost it, it would be whose fault?"-fred

Mine. And for being stupid I should be a drain on society for the rest of my life, and suffer and die before my time? That's too severe for a civilized society. There are millions of people who would screw up their retirement savings if they had to take care of it on their own, education or no education. (Financial education provided at great taxpayer expense by the government, you realize.) It's irresponsible to say these people should just suffer for being stupid, because they wouldn't just be some theoretical object lesson or whatever, but a massive burden on society. Social Security is not a choice because we can't afford to let millions of people be freely stupid and then become a burden. "Freedom" sounds nice, but it's more of a wild west fantasy, not a practical and reasonable requirement. You can still ruin your life, but at least the gov't made that less of a certainty.

fred: Then why are the Madoff victims who knew that their investments skirted US tax laws being provided with tax write-offs as well as being promised that gov't liability through SIPC will be increased anywhere from between 100m-$300m, then retroactivity dispersed to them as a good faith gesture by our all forgiving bought and paid for Federales.

MQ, Once again you don’t give the individual human spirit enough credit. You think government should act as parent, preventing the immature child from getting hurt but that leads only to a controlled, uninspired, stagnant society. Good government should allow people the freedom to succeed or fail on their own but if one fails they should provide some programs and assistance to get one back on track so the individual has an opportunity or chance to start over. Medicaid, welfare, SS and so on, are these programs and should continue to some limited degree but should be the exception not the rule.

We might think of a relatively few people failing as a burden on society but we should also consider the consequence of imprisoning the human spirit for reasons of total security. It is that liberty and freedom to be allowed to fail, that also allows us to succeed, which fuels growth and achievement.

Caspian, John, So how do we solve this puzzle?

We seem to value freedom and liberty and agree with the great words of our leaders of the past. Yet, we are divided on what is the real threat to our freedoms today. Perhaps, we are exposing the same corruption from a different angle, while holding on to a reason for hope. I suppose, if someday we elect true and honest leaders who represent us, instead of themselves, then we will find agreement.

AGREED. HOWEVER, WHY IS IT THAT YOU CANNOT PERCEIVE THAT YOUR ENEMY "GOV'T" IS ONLY THE "HIRED" COMPONENT OF THE BUSINESS AS USUAL "TOO BIG TO FAILS" AND "FOREIGN INTEREST" CAUCUSES THAT PAY THEM TO SO HANDSOMELY TO STEAL FROM US, ... AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND?

There is nobody in government that can't be reduced to political ashes, or a become target for a paid fanatic - if they dared to tred where they haven't been courted, groomed and invited.
You above all should know that by now.
Right now under these circumstances the only way to attain leverage with them, that 01% controlling a whooping 48% of the nations GDP is by a united show of committment and fortitude by the 99.99% who are being forced into obsolescence.
That means, drawing a line in the sand, and grinding "their wheels" of enforcing inequities to an abrupt and undeniable halt by peaceful resistance before the balance is altered forever by maniacal greedy men too cowardly to come before the people themselves.

WATCH THIS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3DI6iQlom8

Corporations are the masks of maniacal greedy men who delight in making others cringe before them. Take away that power and authoritarian cruelty that these jaded princes on the Republican side of this arcane equation have no dignity or respect for justice or equality. They demand subserviance, inflict needless pain and suffering and have no plan whatsoever other than to place our nations people at odds with one another in the arena, and watch gleefully as our nation is destroyed.

What if "we the people" wised up and employed the same tactics as the bankers and refused to participate? what would their net worth be without the labor that produces their presumed accumulated wealth?
DO YOU THINK THAT THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO TAKE NOTICE AT THAT POINT?

Mike G:

When you talk about what you view as freedom, it sounds to me like white noise, and maybe what makes me feel free is noise to you. FDR talked about freedom, and I understood exactly what he meant. He talked about people being relieved of endless gut-rotting worry about basic needs, and that's what he called freedom. The day I started being covered by Medicare my constant worry about my private insurer playing god evaporated. What I felt was FREEDOM! I never felt clearer-headed, more alive, and freer to focus on things I had been neglecting. If freedom is anything it must be this. The opportunity to wonder if I'm going to get by or maybe be ruined seems like sky-diving, with an adrenalin high being the only "winnable" benefit, and unnecessary disaster being the only alternative. I hardly think that the surgeons and scientists who don't jump into rocky ravines with a rubber band tied to their feet are uninspired, dull, lacking in spirit as some inevitable consequence of not taking unnecessary risks. It sounds like to you "human spirit" is the profit gained by passing some kind of moral test of the ability to find joy in what most of the life on this planet is genetically programmed to avoid,-unnecessary risk. To do this purely for one's own satisfaction is one thing; to posit this as the only acceptable criterion for having the wherewithal to have a roof and food is a highly suspicious construct, in my view. Most people are untalented, not very well educated, not too bright,-good decent people who benefit the lives of those they are close to, but they'll never be the canny entrepreneur or tough-going small business owner or any of the other chutzpah-dripping winners of your approval. People who don't need or want any governmental protection can eschew it (still chipping into it, though, of course), but so very many people are not "Survivor" candidates, and would not get by on their own. They're beyond nudging, cajoling, educating. They're simply not dynamic and capable and swift. And they're not unworthy of a life, pale and uninspired as that life may seem to you. They're not disposable because not sufficiently contributing. The world needs consumers, too, not just makers. The "freedom to be allowed to fail" usually just means they have lost everything and are down for the count. Not often does it mean they magically rise like the phoenix from the ashes of their lives. Not often does losing too much provide character-building inspiration; usually it means a dreary life of scraping by.

You could hold one of those self-improvement seminars; you have the catch-phrases and sentiments for it.

Caspian, John, So how do we solve this puzzle?

We seem to value freedom and liberty and agree with the great words of our leaders of the past. Yet, we are divided on what is the real threat to our freedoms today. Perhaps, we are exposing the same corruption from a different angle, while holding on to a reason for hope. I suppose, if someday we elect true and honest leaders who represent us, instead of themselves, then we will find agreement.

AGREED. HOWEVER, WHY IS IT THAT YOU CANNOT PERCEIVE THAT YOUR ENEMY "GOV'T" IS ONLY THE "HIRED" COMPONENT OF THE BUSINESS AS USUAL "TOO BIG TO FAILS" AND "FOREIGN INTEREST" CAUCUSES THAT PAY THEM TO SO HANDSOMELY TO STEAL FROM US, ... AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND?

There is nobody in government that can't be reduced to political ashes, or a become target for a paid fanatic - if they dared to tred where they haven't been courted, groomed and invited.
You above all should know that by now.
Right now under these circumstances the only way to attain leverage with them, that 01% controlling a whooping 48% of the nations GDP is by a united show of committment and fortitude by the 99.99% who are being forced into obsolescence.
That means, drawing a line in the sand, and grinding "their wheels" of enforcing inequities to an abrupt and undeniable halt by peaceful resistance before the balance is altered forever by maniacal greedy men too cowardly to come before the people themselves.

WATCH THIS! THE WORLD WAS AT THIS VERY CROSSROADS BEFORE... Remember Prescott, heed the words of General Butler and another planned insurrection by that minion of elitists and their clans whohave already sold out, relocated their HQ's or have sided with our adversarys in order to subjugate our families.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3DI6iQlom8

Corporations are the masks of maniacal greedy men who delight in making others cringe before them. Take away that power and authoritarian cruelty that these jaded princes of the REICHSTAG PARTY side of this arcane equation have no dignity or respect for justice or equality. No respect for America and what we as a nation- once stood for. To them we are all replaceable, that we are to all be blamed for their failures as leaders. they are connivving double talkers without a plan other than to repeat the failures of the past with even more arrogance, anger and venom. They demand subserviance, inflict needless pain and suffering and have no plan whatsoever other than to place our nations people at odds with one another in the arena, and watch gleefully as our nation is destroyed.

Why would you place your hopes on that?
Do you want wars everlasting? More fine print and ponzischemes? Do you like adding to your tax burden? Is it only because they haven't come for you and your sector, as yet? Just asking?

Sometimes- we have stand up and sacrifice giving a lending hand or voice to the helpless others, for the greater "good" however flawed in its initial stages- rather than stand by and do nothing, in the hope that they can find footing enough to help themselves or perhaps be there in our time of need.

The Reichstag party does not think that way. It is always about whats in it for them at the expense of others- never a shared endeavor. When dollars and punitive measures take precedence over the health and well being of another person- just count me out.

Mike Q:

How fast is your car capable of going?

“AGREED. HOWEVER, WHY IS IT THAT YOU CANNOT PERCEIVE THAT YOUR ENEMY "GOV'T" IS ONLY THE "HIRED" COMPONENT OF THE BUSINESS AS USUAL "TOO BIG TO FAILS" AND "FOREIGN INTEREST" CAUCUSES THAT PAY THEM TO SO HANDSOMELY TO STEAL FROM US, ... AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND?” -John

John, it is simply because we know that the purpose of big business is to make money and to profit. They are a beast consumed with their own self interest and not our interest. They are a beast we dare not destroy or we destroy ourselves, with no jobs and lost retirement 401K profits and economic disaster. That does not mean we don’t tame them and so, “we the people” hire and pay the government to tame the beast, while the government gladly takes our money they don’t work for us, they work for them. I suppose, the one that steals from me openly is better then the one who steals, pretending to be my friend.

So you ask the question, “what if the people wised up?” and I ask you one back. Who do you think would use their power to stop us? Would it be Big Business, Foreign Interest or their Hired component?

Mike Q, Very good, I see your point. Surely, to lift the difficult burdens that most of us face, is a sense of relief and freedom. I don’t want to stake my life on how fast I can draw a gun but prefer some law and order for protection. I don’t want the strongest gang to run the town but the weak protected by a civilized order to things.

So I don’t wish to go back to the Wild West but we are far, far from it in American society. When will there be too many programs, too many taxes, too much control in our lives? For me, that balance has tipped beyond law and order, beyond safety nets and is headed toward government regulating our entire lives. For me, this government has become the strong gang that is running the town, instead of allowing the people to run it and live their lives freely.

The answer to your question is just what you are seeing today. All three working components in tandem either simultaneously or in progression. They are all complicit and will be the sole benefactors when NWO is introduced under its varied guises of global cooperation, re-education, reorientation of the sexes for population control, and PC enforcement codes and surveillances that will attempt to allow them to pinpoint, monitor and eliminate dissent, free speech, and independence BY ANY AND ALL MEANS DEEMED NECESSARY.
Plus they have all the money power and immunity from prosecution they need to acquire cooperation, transfer funds and alter perception.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4208839/they_live_movie_trailer/


WANT A JOB OR BUSINESS IN THE UP AND COMING GROWTH INDUSTRIES IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHEN NWO ARRIVES? Then watch this trailer carefully and tell me if what you just saw isn't a snapshot of Iraq and Afghanistan. Blackwater corporate armies, play for play mercks...
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5347840/exclusive_case_39_clip/
Choose one of the growth industries.
a) merck b)PRIVATIZED PRISON OPERATOR c)internet surveiller d)CEO- corporate raider
or
ARE YOU HERE TO CHEW BUBBLE GUM...? heh heh

Cas:
Just dropping by to get my beak wet,I'll see your Obsolete Man,And give you one Prisoner,who says he is not a number.

"The answer to your question is just what you are seeing today. All three working components in tandem either simultaneously or in progression." -John

Yes but it's still worth considering this fact. Business needs the consumer and the consumer needs business. That is a natural balance of power. In situations of "too big too fails" then government provides the balance. It's only when government or the "hired component" sides against the people is that balance skewed and we are threatened. Controlling the hired component is the only real answer.

Good Stuff Robert.

Very interesting.

"When will there be too many programs, too many taxes, too much control in our lives?"-MG

I suppose that will depend on one's viewpoint. If you can feel there's too much of all of the above, and I can feel quite untrod-upon and hoping to shore up some programs from hits on them from the right, it may be that we have just the right compromise amount. Neither of us should be quite ready to take up arms over our views, so we should be able to talk productively for the time being. Sounds good to me.

Mike Q: When government begind to tell me what I can and cannot eat, and presumes to know what context and in what manner I use wording to accentuate my point they are infringing on free speech, invading privacys I have not given them privy to instigate their myopic attitudes.
When they go so far as to do things like this and god only knows what else is not being encrypted into the foreign comonents they are importing they have gone way too far and these procedures must be stopped.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101016/ap_on_re_us/us_gps_tracking_warrants


Especially, when states seem to be priming us for privatized prisons and Homeland Security under Obama has gone so far as to list returning veterens as their newest target of persons of interest. No jobs mind you, no thanks or gratitude, no privacy either. Welcome Home, you now have just qualified as a person who could thwart our efforts to attain NWO.


Could you imagine these hedonous psychotic zipperheads citing Joyce Meyers and Creflo Dollar as subversives during the Bush years? It shouldn't matter whether you are a god loving person or not, these kind and generous spirits do a whole lot of good in pointing out how we all can be better people.

"When government begind to tell me what I can and cannot eat, and presumes to know what context and in what manner I use wording to accentuate my point they are infringing on free speech."-John

In your own home you can eat lard and rat poison, if you've a mind to. In a fast food joint you can eat the super deluxe burger that has the government's skull and crossed bones imprint on it, if you've a mind to. If someone in a position to be blamed for not gently warning you that you are about to hurt yourself if you work on live wires while standing in water fails to warn you, what would you do? Wave your fist at him and try to get him fired, that's what. And if someone in a position to get blamed (that is, the government) doesn't inform you that some foods will gunk up your arteries, that is nowhere in the same time zone the same as saying that you "can't" eat this food, or that you "have to" eat other foods. The idea that some totalitarian dictator with cameras in your home is commanding that you must eat this and never eat that, under penalty of law, is part of the outlandish rhetoric we're hearing more and more of these days, spread by who knows who, and for what reason other than maybe to see what'll stick.

Pretty much ditto with infringing on free speech, other than possibly hate speech laws, and that can happen because there is an intersection here between free speech rights and various civil rights, and some accommodation in the law can be needed. Otherwise, Congress has not passed any law infringing on your free speech. This of course doesn't mean that a private business owner can't throw you out of his establishment if he doesn't like your language. He can, because he's not Congress, and the first amendment says nothing about anybody else but Congress. Has President Obama ever told you that you can't say such and such? Nope. So, so much for your free speech rights being curtailed by the horrible government.

As for the rest, carry on.

“The idea that some totalitarian dictator with cameras in your home is commanding that you must eat this and never eat that, under penalty of law, is part of the outlandish rhetoric we're hearing more and more of these days,” –Mike Q

Mike Q, the extreme counter idea of a “dictator with cameras in our homes” is an attempt to make your idea, that government is simply “providing information” or “gentle warnings” sound more legitimate,when neither are true. Certainly you understand how government works. Temporary taxes become permanent, permanent rebates become temporary; “gentle warnings” or suggestions become commands. We don’t need to get run over by a train to know it’s barreling down the track.

Take for example the soda BAN for those on food stamps. Government tries to justify it by saying it is for our own health. This is how it starts and then continues with everything government thinks is bad for our health. Is that outlandish or likely and logical? They say they have the right to do so because it is paid for with government funds. Is it outlandish to consider they would think the same way with government run or mandated healthcare? There can be no debate on the direction the government is heading. The only debate is how far they have gone so far. I’m afraid that by the time you realized they have gone too far, it will be too late, that train will be upon us with no way to escape.

Mike Q: When government elects to subsidize corn syrup at my expense, not protect our food supply by lowering the number of food inspectors when most of what we are consuming is coming from foreign nations aka/ China, and has been deliberately derelict in protecting our jobs from foreign invasionary forces don't begin to tell me that they have my best interest in mind when they capriciously remove salt from a restaurants table.
There are millions of Americans who wouldn't be needing government food stamps, if they still had their jobs so lets close that issue. IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS- THAT COULD EASILY BE CONSTRUED AS A GOVERNMENT MANIPULATION TO "INSURE" A CERTAIN RESULT. Some cross purposes that come to mind might be Dehumanization??? Herding??? Genetic Imbreeding??? Who knows what the result would be if segments of the population were steered to alterd and engineered engineered products such as we have already seen from Monsanto for example?

Government has systematically removed physical education exercises from schools, allowed fast food and candy machines all of which add to the attention deficit and hypertenesion challenges our teachers have been having with the last two generations. RESULT: AMERICA LAGS BEHIND IN EDUCATION ...
...IS AN OBESE NATION BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DEPENDENT UPON A LOBBYIST COMPLICIT ALMOST NON-EXISTENT FDA FOR ORIGINATION LABELING, AND TRUTH IS ADVERTISING WHICH "WE THE PEOPLE" HAVE DEMANDED.
If government were so interested in protecting us why then haven't they put in jail every single CEO and board member from the tobacco industry for not having removed the cancer agent "ammonia" from its formulas.
What more do they need to prove intent? When one CEO went to the Hungary a few years to market their "higher" nicotine charged product shortly after their experiment on our own college students part of the promotion was telling the Hungarian leader the benefit of not having longer life expectancy in its work force.
BushJr went Brazil and convinced its leader not to use the more highly efficient and more cost effective "sugar" based ethanol. Corn ethanol costs as much to produce and burns other carbon fuels to produce it.
Instead now we are burning more fuel, getting 25% less efficiency per tankful and paying through our noses for a diluted more poisonous oil product.
He also mandated that our troops be inoculated with a "known" unfit for human consumption "malaria" vaccine granting unsaid well positioned pharmaceutical corporation a no compete, no bid contract that almost completely wiped out our special operations forces in Afghanistan.
*Taking that information just a little bit further, knowing in advance the study and side effects associated with the product begin to ask why?
Ask why clauses were deliberately mandated and made in the prewar HS bill that specifically prevented our troops and their families from being able to receive restitution from defective materials? ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT WERE "KNOWN KILLERS" BEFORE THEY WERE DEPLOYED. [depleted uranium, malaria serums...

Then ask why going back to first point on our "special ops"- why they were not able to pursue Bin Laden and put an end to the terror threat. WAS THAT DELIBERATE TOO?
...ALL YOU HAVE TO REMIND YOURSELF IS THAT "THE POWERS THAT BE" WANTED A 50YR WAR AND STILL TO THIS DAY WILL NOT PURSUE BIN LADEN, AND NOW WANT TO PARTNER AGAIN WITH THE TALIBAN.
NOW READ THIS!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/world/middleeast/17awakening.html
These are the types of people who creep in and out and still man our government. DON'T KID YOURSELF THERE ARE PLENTY OF WELL POSITIONED "criminal???" HIRED ASSASINS AND DETRIMENTAL FORCES WITHIN THIS GOVERNMENT APPARATUS WHO HAVE BEEN ON A MISSION TOWARD INCREMENTALLY DESTROYING OUR NATION.

Perhaps the focus of government should be on themselves and eliminating the poisons in their own houses before they harm a few tens of millions more of us-for their special interests?
Ya think?

Mike Q: When government elects to subsidize corn syrup at my expense, not protect our food supply by lowering the number of food inspectors when most of what we are consuming is coming from foreign nations aka/ China, and has been deliberately derelict in protecting our jobs from foreign invasionary forces don't begin to tell me that they have my best interest in mind when they capriciously remove salt from a restaurants table.
There are millions of Americans who wouldn't be needing government food stamps, if they still had their jobs so lets close that issue. IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS- THAT COULD EASILY BE CONSTRUED AS A GOVERNMENT MANIPULATION TO "INSURE" A CERTAIN RESULT. Some cross purposes that come to mind might be Dehumanization??? Herding??? Genetic Imbreeding??? Who knows what the result would be if segments of the population were steered to alterd and engineered engineered products such as we have already seen from Monsanto for example?

Government has systematically removed physical education exercises from schools, allowed fast food and candy machines all of which add to the attention deficit and hypertenesion challenges our teachers have been having with the last two generations. RESULT: AMERICA LAGS BEHIND IN EDUCATION ...
...IS AN OBESE NATION BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DEPENDENT UPON A LOBBYIST COMPLICIT ALMOST NON-EXISTENT FDA FOR ORIGINATION LABELING, AND TRUTH IS ADVERTISING WHICH "WE THE PEOPLE" HAVE DEMANDED.
If government were so interested in protecting us why then haven't they put in jail every single CEO and board member from the tobacco industry for not having removed the cancer agent "ammonia" from its formulas.
What more do they need to prove intent? When one CEO went to the Hungary a few years to market their "higher" nicotine charged product shortly after their experiment on our own college students part of the promotion was telling the Hungarian leader the benefit of not having longer life expectancy in its work force.
BushJr went Brazil and convinced its leader not to use the more highly efficient and more cost effective "sugar" based ethanol. Corn ethanol costs as much to produce and burns other carbon fuels to produce it.
Instead now we are burning more fuel, getting 25% less efficiency per tankful and paying through our noses for a diluted more poisonous oil product.
He also mandated that our troops be inoculated with a "known" unfit for human consumption "malaria" vaccine granting unsaid well positioned pharmaceutical corporation a no compete, no bid contract that almost completely wiped out our special operations forces in Afghanistan.
*Taking that information just a little bit further, knowing in advance the study and side effects associated with the product begin to ask why?
Ask why clauses were deliberately mandated and made in the prewar HS bill that specifically prevented our troops and their families from being able to receive restitution from defective materials? ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT WERE "KNOWN KILLERS" BEFORE THEY WERE DEPLOYED. [depleted uranium, malaria serums...

Then ask why going back to first point on our "special ops"- why they were not able to pursue Bin Laden and put an end to the terror threat. WAS THAT DELIBERATE TOO?
...ALL YOU HAVE TO REMIND YOURSELF IS THAT "THE POWERS THAT BE" WANTED A 50YR WAR AND STILL TO THIS DAY WILL NOT PURSUE BIN LADEN, AND NOW WANT TO PARTNER AGAIN WITH THE TALIBAN.
These are the types of people who creep in and out and still man our government. DON'T KID YOURSELF THERE ARE PLENTY OF WELL POSITIONED "criminal???" HIRED ASSASINS AND DETRIMENTAL FORCES WITHIN THIS GOVERNMENT APPARATUS WHO HAVE BEEN ON A MISSION TOWARD INCREMENTALLY DESTROYING OUR NATION.

Perhaps the focus of government should be on themselves and eliminating the poisons in their own houses before they harm a few tens of millions more of us-for their special interests?
Ya think?

Government has systematically removed physical education exercises from schools, allowed fast food and candy machines all of which add to the attention deficit and hypertenesion challenges our teachers have been having with the last two generations.
RESULT: AMERICA LAGS BEHIND IN EDUCATION ...
...IS AN OBESE NATION BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DEPENDENT UPON A LOBBYIST COMPLICIT ALMOST NON-EXISTENT FDA, WHICH FOR OBVIOUS REASONS NO LONGER HAS A SURGEON GENERAL SO THAT WE THE PEOPLE HAVE NO COURSE OR "PERSON THAT CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOT HAVING "ORIGINATION LABELING", AND "TRUTH IS ADVERTISING" WHICH "WE THE PEOPLE" HAVE DEMANDED FOR DECADES.

AGAIN, IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS-
*THAT COULD EASILY BE CONSTRUED AS "DELIBERATE" GOVERNMENT MANIPULATION TO "INSURE" A CERTAIN RESULTS.

Unable to compete now, and in the not too distant future provides global corporations with yet another excuse for many of our current youth not to be able to compete for those private sector jobs that still have not been forthcoming.

CURRENT ATTEMPTS BY GOVERNMENT AT THE BEHEST OF THEIR CORPORATE MANIPULATORS TO "INSURE" CERTAIN RESULTS-
-DOES "JOBLESS RECOVERY" RING A BELL?
-HOW ABOUT YOUR "JOBLESS ADULT CHILDREN" CAN REMAIN ON YOUR INSURANCE UNTIL AGE 26? Oh isn't that slick. Aded premiums covering those who if healthy wouldn't be purchasing insurance at all unless they were married.

-OBESITY HAS COME AS A DIRECT RESULT OF a)LABORATORY MODIFIED FOOD PRODUCTS,[trans fats[insoluable], corn syrup[SUGAR], food additives[that mask detection the taste of contaminated products]
b)ENERGY DEPLETING PHARMECEUTICAL DRUGS,
c)AND OH YEAH, LACK OF JOBS,
d)DEPRESSION FROM NOT HAVING JOBS,
e)SUPPRESSED ANGER FROM HAVING GOVERNMENT TELL US THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A BACKSET TO "ILLEGAL" ENTRANTS SO THAT "THEY" CAN SEND MONEY OUT OF THE COUNTRY TO "THEIR FAMILIES" IN ANOTHER COUNTRY[Shhhh... that's more money that isn't going into the small businesses that could hire those obese couch potatoes known as the illiterate, nowhere to go, children of America]

In the America, I remember every person was taught that they themselves had the government mandated obligation to get off of their asses and exercise and take care of their personal hygiene.

Government flunkies and the "handpicked" by elitist shills in the justice department acquiesing in order to shift funding outside the education area for special interest groups and their experimentations to alter society, under the SC's auspic to appease a handful of unfit lazy brats and their nutzo parentings seeking their self important moment of fame screwed an entire country.
GOVERNMENT MANIPULATION TO "INSURE" CERTAIN RESULTS.

John:

MikeQ's people have been running the education show for a long time now. Satisfied?

"MikeQ's people have been running the education show for a long time now."-fred

Yeah, time to give Exxon a shot at it. Or the church. Or Fox News. That'll make it better, right?

John: It sounds like you're unhappy about the job the government is doing testing our food supply, because you expect and demand that the government does this job for us and not leave us free to find out the hard way if our food is tainted. So you agree with me about the desirability of government involvement. You also seem to be (or is it MG?) unhappy that the government went too far in the other direction and won't let people on food stamps buy soda to wash down their liquor and narcotics. You would scream if the government let people buy drugs and booze with taxpayer money, and many public interest groups have been pushing for years to get soda included in this short list of non-foods (It wasn't some government brainstorm, part of a plot of some kind.) The government is doing what you expect and demand they do, not perfectly, for sure, but they're doing what they're allowed to do. So knock the people in Congress who keep cutting funding for food inspection, if you want to see this function improve. Just going on about some kind of cross-party, cross-administration, secret, highly involved plot to do whatever it is you think they're trying to do,-well, it's not productive. Entertaining, but not productive.

Mike Q: When you have spent as much time as I have in the business world "observing" a whole lifetimes worth of wheeling and dealings, connivings and contrivances that go on at the pinnacle of each industries upper and lower echelons- then you would more fully understand what I am saying.
Your stating that government is not an ongoing continuance of figures that are groomed, set up and delivered by "the worldwide powers that be" toward a common goal at this time that has been prtrayed as a concentrated push toward globalism and away from nationalism belies an ignorance that isn't uncommon.
Like I've said before business makes strange bedfellows, government facilitates and arranges them and guarantees they get pushed forward and that We the people, the 99% pay for it.

Remember that I forewarned you and all the others here right as the crash of 2007 was happening be wary of punitive "quality of life" legislations that would usurp freedoms and property while the privileged would escape unscathed.
The Dems and Obama have done nothing to the arch criminals who have decimated our country, made certain that the most aggregious of the villians will prosper even more, while stalling and pretending to deliver justice. So don't get sanctimonious with me about cross party and cross administration cruelties and violations to our constitutional and human rights to dissent, privacy, and to retain our own social biases when it comes to indoctrinating our children and families with things that contradict the things we stand for and are willing to defend, because our conscience tells us regardless of the powers of government it does not have the right or power to enslave.

I do not regurgitate myopic "soundbytes" on topics I broaden them to the levels that would be discussed, parried and at the highest levels of the business world. Not the pulp fictions that are altered and passed on to the media centers in order to gain utmost public fear and compliance to pay for their extravagances.

I unlike most have had the opportunity to observe without bias the inner workings of Wall St, its interactions with industry, knowing its cycles and how they play government and how government will always acquiess passing the buck down the food chain to those less able to afford it.

As I have stated time and time again shit rolls down hill. Once you know the gameplan as stated from those in the high command, out think them and follow the patterns.
The Bush Administration was too easy. All you needed to know was the PNAC Articles of Principals and then connect all the dots and principal business connections past and to date.

Obama harder but all the top candidates in the 2008 election had other common denominators the CFR, the Bilderbergs, Carlyles, G-S, the Trilats, and ROCKY CONNECTS THEM ALL.

Hmmmmmmm! A smart man would delve into what do all of these entities have in common, since government is an ongoing continuance of the powers behind the throne.
Wouldn't you begin with the grand druid himself, since he has headed both the Bilderbergs, and the Trilats, has been the grand dragon of the Federal Reserve/IRS siphon that is into everyones pockets for almost a century.
Then do a history check on what was directly influenced by all that he could manipulate with the vast empire of his holdings.
This is nothing you will read in a classroom, or hear in a union meeting. This goes well beyond hearsay, it is recorded and visible fact.
The Aaron Russo revelations tied all of the usual suspects together- and what you, I and the rest of America are experienceing today all follows the patterns and strategies in chronological order as history has been revealed the works of Professor DL Cuddy.
Examining all of the evidences for of the past administrations have had an active hand in this progression toward a NEW World Order. One which is inhumane, has professed openly to wish to destroy the family unit and replace it governmental controls that are deviant in intent and subversive.
Recent legislations under Obama further the illicit goventment intrusions of the Bush Adminstration, add more Americans to the watch lists, and even go so far as to give government the authority over the food you might attempt to grow on your own property.

Now ask yourself isn't that what Nick Rockefeller said was on the not too distant horizon?

Wake up and do some studying and real research. Idealism will only take you so far.

Mike Q: " It sounds like you're unhappy about the job the government is doing testing our food supply, because you expect and demand that the government does this job for us and not leave us free to find out the hard way if our food is tainted. So you agree with me about the desirability of government involvement.-mIKE q


RESPONSE: I don't care who inspects the food so long as it is done correctly. If the private sector can monitor themselves and thinks it is cheaper to do it themselves and wants to pay for it independently business by business so be it. That's good for competition.

If they feel that it is more economical "for them" to pay for government inspectors as an industry I'm with that too. THAT IS A QUALITY CONTROL ISSUE THAT THEY SHOULD BE PROVIDING TO INSURE THAT THEY ARE NOT SUED JUST LIKE ANY OTHER INDUSTRY- IT IS NOT THE PUBLICS RESPONCIBILITY THAT WE NEED TO BE TAXED FOR IT.
I would recommend that in fairness to smaller businesses that their payment not be a standardized fixed flat rate but based on market share and locale if they were to go that route. STILL THE PRIVATER SECTOR AND NOT THE PEOPLE SHOULD BE FOOTING THE BILL.
Food and Water should never be comprimised in a civil society when they are the people who are in leadership that allow it are destined to ruin. Monopolies, too big to fails, AND OFFSHORES should never be able to skirt the law based on influence.

That being said, you have really crossed the line into the realm usually reserved for the radical tea baggers by inferring that most people on the public dole are on liquor or drugs. Perhaps you should reconsider that last remark. Soda will no more kill you than milk if you are allergic or lactose intolerant. Soda may increase the probability of future health problems in some but,... THERE YOU GO WITH "MANDATING" ONE SIZE FITS ALL. Next comes the "soda tax" for the rest of us, once the corporates see the loss of market share and dropped revenues. ONCE AGAIN GOVERNMENT ACTING ON THEIR BEHALF SCREWS THE PUBLIC IT IS ELECTED TO SERVE.

"You would scream if the government let people buy drugs and booze with taxpayer money,..." -Mike Q

RESPONSE: Duh! What planet are you on? What do you think medicaid is?

Mike Q: Once again the proofs are in the pudding. No conjecture, no hypotheticals- just proof. I don't lie. I try my best to honestly increase knowledge for discussion by providing factual information.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/18/business/18advantage.html

"JPMorgan Chase & Company has a proposition for the mutual funds and pension funds that oversee many Americans’ savings: Heads, we win together. Tails, you lose — alone.

House Advantage
This series examines the ways that Wall Street banks can, and often do, gain advantages over their customers.

Here is the deal: Funds lend some of their stocks and bonds to Wall Street, in return for cash that banks like JPMorgan then invest. If the trades do well, the bank takes a cut of the profits. If the trades do poorly, the funds absorb all of the losses.

The strategy is called securities lending, a practice that is thriving even though some investments linked to it were virtually wiped out during the financial panic of 2008. These trades were supposed to be safe enough to make a little extra money at little risk.

JPMorgan customers, including public or corporate pension funds of I.B.M., New York State and the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, ended up owing JPMorgan more than $500 million to cover the losses. But JPMorgan protected itself on some of these investments and kept millions of dollars in profit, before the trades went awry.

How JPMorgan won while its customers lost provides a glimpse into the ways Wall Street banks can, and often do, gain advantages over their customers. Today’s giant banks not only create and sell investment products, but also bet on those products, and sometimes against them, putting the banks’ interests at odds with those of their customers. The banks and their lobbyists also help fashion financial rules and regulations. And banks’ traders know what their customers are buying and selling, giving them a valuable edge... [CONT]

ENJOY!!!
We all can live and learn by sharing experiences and analyzing how things could be made much, much better for everyone when we think outside of the closed little boxes of disinformation the master planners have cleverly laid out to insure ignorance and compliance.

Caspian, Mike G, robert, fred, peter, Kathy, RNN STAFF-

THIS IS BLOCKBUSTER NEWS!
SHOULD BE MADE TOPIC OF THE DAY!

TOO BIG TO FAIL BANKS FAILED THEIR MANDATED LEGAL "FIDUCIARY DUTY".
There is no way that they can continue to plead their innocence when all of them hedged their bets against their customers success.
*This article still attempts to blame the unwitting customer but, you'll know better after reading and analyzing the details. YOU WILL CLEARLY SEE RACKETEERING, NON-DISCLOSURES, FAILURE TO SUPPLY AND PROVIDE RECORDS, EXTORTIONARY PERCENTAGE FEES TAKEN WITHOUT NOTIFICATION...

Caveat Emptor! Who still wants these guys to play with your Social Security?

John

Corporate Bush Republicans are Gangsters and Corporate Obama Democrats are Racketeers loyal to Wall Street and not main street.

Democrats are the lesser of two evils in this regard but still evil.

My broken record still holds true until someone can convince me otherwise.

lol

Gambino's & Colombo's.

Caspian- Warren Redlich?

John&Cas and other interested partys.

FYI:

The New Tax Man: Big Banks And Hedge Funds

"'You would scream if the government let people buy drugs and booze with taxpayer money,...' -Mike Q

RESPONSE: Duh! What planet are you on? What do you think medicaid is?"-John

You mean people are buying crack cocaine and cigarettes and cheap wine through Medicaid?

The New Tax Man: Big Banks And Hedge Funds
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Excellent piece robert.

I wonder if the cable channels and the networks are going to drum beat this story?

Probably Not.

Caspian- Warren Redlich?

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John, just what Albany needs is another corporate friendly Rightwinger.

NOT!

lol

Billionaire Brothers Waging War - Charles Lewis on Democracy NOW!

Caspian: Sorry, I forgot to add the usual ???... heh heh

Mike Q: You said "drugs" didn't you? What do you think pharmaceuticals are, and aren't so many of their legal dispensaries and promotions also in the same realm as drug dealers when most of their products have side effects that can either kill you outright or while proclaiming to soothe minor ailments lead you onto other drugs sucking the gullible public dry?
C'mon man, are you ok or is someone else using your ID? You used to be one of the best and most respected minds on this site.

Caspian, robert: Doesn't it all become so clear now as to why Bush was pushing so hard for the clearing out of the Supreme Court? Now they are after the some the best representatives out there and Feingold & Dorgan come to mind immediately. Waters & Rangel are a few of the others.

Personally despite all of the rhetoric I believe that this is going to be another Diebold election and if the Dems were really smart they will have that angle covered to the max.