Caspian: Here is the full 25minute interview is promised. Everything covered from soup to nuts.

MikeG- You'll never have it put for you any clearer than this. Be aware and good luck, good friend there seems to be a post from the last board meant for you that got missing??? If you ever doubted my dogged determination and focus take a good hard look at this perspective from an inside expert who knows and hobnobbed with the key players and who has connect the dots.

Will get back on the payroll tax debacle as soon as possible.

Currently working on the dizzying daisy chain of newly empowered GS foreign leader and players-, Corzine, Monti and the list keeps growing by the minute.

Enjoy!!!

HUMOR-
In the meantime check this video out-under the title "Snakes Released in Taxmans Office"
Snake charmer unable to pay decides- "If you want my business, then take it." hahahahahahaa

no room in previous comments but just would like to add my prediction. The nominee for the republican presidency will be Mitt Romney and Chris Christie for vice president. Newt has to much baggage and will be eliminated in the polls in New Hampshire. I may be wrong but it looks good for Mitt.

John, I can't bring up the article only the title? Maybe the NWO crowd got their hands on it and pulled it to keep the truth from getting out ;)? Anyway, FYI, Ron Paul believes in government austerity.

As for these Romney president predictions given all the choices including Obama, who other then Romney has the best chance of winning? Now if Obama steps down that changes everything. Christy for VP is an interesting thought perhaps due to his recent criticism of Obama. Makes sense.

Everything you ever wanted to know about this meltdown and I don't have to print another word for you. John.

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Great find John.

Gerald Celente is spot on as usual.

The other thread ran out.



Permalink 12/02/11 @ 09:48

Should payroll tax be extended. In my opinion; not that this is a bad idea but with the US being in 16 trillion dollar debt there should be no tax cuts.This should also include no extension of Bush tad cuts beyond 2012.This insane idea that tax cut for the rich create jobs is nonsense. The tax cuts should be for small business. If ths UJS ever has a surplus then tax cuts could be considered. But both parties are playing to their base in a election year.

MikeG: Ok. just watch the video. The 25minute version. Something fishy going on with my posts. they appear faded with an extended dash through all the words on my screen after thedy leave my computer.

I'll try it again. Check the URL

http://www.examiner.com/finance-examiner-in-national/economist-gerald-celente-endorses-ron-paul-for-president-video

peter- Nobody can beat a Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich/Bernie Sanders ticket. Watch the video!

peter- Nobody can beat a Ron Paul[R]/Bernie Sanders[I]/ Dennis Kucinich[D] ticket. They spell trouble for the NWO crowd. R-I-D America of the G-S Federal Reserve. Watch the video!

John I did not say Romney will win; only the standard bearer for the gop. I do not have to look at a video for Ron Paul kuchinich and sanders because I know they would never be nominated by their party. They may be good candidates but not what the leaders of both parties do not want to head the 2012 election. Some of Pauls views are way out but at least the man is honest in his beliefs.

peter: We are talking about a combined ticket not as winners of any GOP or DEM primary. Reconsider.

-Sanders wins at least 60% of independents.
-Paul will get at least 15% of Republicans plus a heck of as lot of crossover DEMs especially with Kucinich on his ticket to balance out some of his rougher edges.
-Kucinich pulls in the more progressive quarter and is a tireless worker for practical and bipartisan worker cause solutions.
RECONSIDER.

peter: We are talking about a combined ticket not as winners of any GOP or DEM primary. Reconsider.

-Sanders wins at least 60% of independents.
-Paul will get at least 15% of Republicans plus a heck of as lot of crossover DEMs especially with a Kucinich on his ticket to balance out some of his rougher edges.
-Kucinich pulls in the more progressive quarter that hasn't been represented at all by Obama, and is a tireless worker for practical and bipartisan worker cause solutions.
RECONSIDER.

RON PAUL- HEADS THE TICKET!

TIME OUT!!! SUPPORT OUR MILITARY FAMILIES. HOLD ERIC HOLDER ACCOUNTABLE TO PROSECUTE THESE BLOOD SUCKERS!

Tuesday, November 29, 2011
Dylan Ratigan: To Eric Holder – A Simple Way To Prosecute Bank Crimes
By Dylan Ratigan, MSNBC host and author of the new book Greedy Bastards. Cross posted from DylanRatigan.com

Shahien Nasiripour has a great scoop in the FT – bank regulators have uncovered up to 5000 military families who were foreclosed on "illegally" by mortgage servicers.
Foreclosures on active duty troops is usually a big no-no, for a lot of reasons – for instance, when your credit rating is damaged by a foreclosure, it can impact your national security clearance.
In addition, there’s enormous stress that the soldier goes through when his or her family is facing a threat of eviction, and it’s the kind of stress that makes him or her less equipped to be ready in a warzone.
Congressman Bob Filner has even accused banks of “homicide” against American troops, blaming the banks for suicides resulting from the increased stress brought on by aggressive debt collection techniques.
There have been laws to protect troops from unscrupulous lending practices going all the way back to the First World War. The most recent revision to these laws is the Servicemember Civil Relief Act, which was signed in 2003. Congressman Brad Miller, who helped author the most recent version of this law, explained the rationale for the law as follows:
****The Service Members Civil Relief Act is very clear: if you’re in harm’s way in our nation’s military, you can devote your whole energy to our nation’s service without worrying what’s happening in a courthouse back home. And if you have a claim against someone in our military, you can wait until they get home and can defend themselves.
Miller is a Democrat from North Carolina, but the bill was signed by George W. Bush, so there’s a bipartisan consensus on not foreclosing on troops fighting in wars.
----> Yet, as the FT story shows, it has become clear that "big banks" are routinely ignoring the law.
Miller noted,
"The SCRA is not some obscure legal technicality that might just have escaped the attention of mortgage servicers. Those servicers are all affiliates of the biggest banks, but they’re huge and specialized. Servicing mortgages is all they do, and they really don’t have that many laws to keep up with. "They have got to have known what the law required", and consciously decided that they could just ignore it, the same way they apparently decided it was okay to file false affidavits in legal proceedings.
--->In all likelihood, these banks simply never set up their management processes to handle anything but, an *aggressive foreclosure steam-roller. And so, they are breaking the law.

Banks admit this.
*JP Morgan apologized back in February in a Congressional hearing for overcharging 4000 military families and illegally foreclosing on 18 of them.
In that hearing, one foreclosure defense attorney pointed out that jail time for officials of the bank doing the foreclosing would be a deterrent to these practices, an apology would not be.

Much has been made of President Obama’s argument that the banks did nothing illegally, and various other scholars and officials have argued that prosecuting the banks is far too expensive and difficult.
****Yet, the SCRA is a simple law with teeth; it carries real jail time, and the parties have already confessed to the crime. Here’s Section 303(d)(1) of that law, which spells out penalties. (PDF)
(1) MISDEMEANOR.—A person who knowingly makes or causes to be made a sale, foreclosure, or seizure of property that is prohibited by subsection (c), or who knowingly attempts to do so, shall be fined as provided in title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.
Interestingly, the Department of Justice seems to agree with this interpretation. Here’s a press release from the Department of Justice on a settlement of some of these claims, from Bank of America. I’ve bolded the important part.
The Justice Department announced today that, as part of its settlement with BAC Home Loans Servicing LP, a subsidiary of Bank of America Corporation, servicemembers whose homes were unlawfully foreclosed upon will each receive a minimum $116,785 plus compensation for any equity lost to compensate them for the bank’s alleged violation of the Servicemember Civil Relief Act (SCRA).

Note the use of the word “alleged.” Bank of America isn’t admitting anything, and the Eric Holder’s Department of Justice isn’t making them admit anything. Otherwise, the penalties might come into play. Sometimes, law can get very complex. But sometimes, it isn’t. JP Morgan admitted to violating the law. There are up to 5000 more cases, and each one carries up to a year in jail.
Eric Holder and various US Attorneys around the country aren’t prosecuting bank foreclosures on active duty troops, even though they know it is happening. Bank regulators know about the problem. Congress knows about the problem. Certainly, the Pentagon knows about the problem. Where are the prosecutions? Is there an internal policy that certain crimes are not to be prosecuted? Isn’t that something the public should be aware of?

As Congressman Miller put it, “The continued failure to pursue criminal charges in the face of flagrant violations of the criminal law is destroying Americans’ faith in their government and democracy. In a democracy, no one is too big to prosecute

GMAC to cease most lending in Massachuestts

Friday, December 2, 2011 - Added 15 minutes ago


“In order to do business in Massachusetts, GMAC has to follow the law before foreclosing on homeowners,” Coakley said in a statement. “With today’s action, it appears GMAC has acknowledged it has a problem following those laws and being held accountable for doing so.”

Coakley’s lawsuit, filed Thursday in Suffolk Superior Court, accuses Bank of America, Wells Fargo, JP Morgan Chase, Citi and GMAC of using fraudulent documentation during foreclosure proceedings, including so-called “robo-signing,” and illegally foreclosed on properties without holding the actual mortgages.

"MikeG- You'll never have it put for you any clearer than this. http://www.examiner.com/finance-examiner-in-national/economist-gerald-celente" - John.

John, I viewed the video. As usual I may look at things from a less obvious angle then most but I think its worth sharing.

For some time now I have been stating that the problem is government and while big business is not necessarily our friend, WE the people have a degree of control over a greedy business but an over reaching, over spending, corrupt or out of control government controls us.

So lets first examine this idea that a group of powerful Capitalists would somehow benefit if we were to lose all our buying power. Certainly the super rich would be better off then us but nobody benefits financially from world chaos. However, a ruling entity could gain a whole lot more power in such a world. Without individual Liberty or freedom of choice, our usefulness would consist of how much we can contribute to the collective and how much more power they could gain. So the best government is one that affords us the most freedom, along with some protection from those more powerful then us.

The Capitalists don't want to rule over us, they just want to make money. Like a gambling casino, many don't necessarily care whether you lose all yours, as long as they make money. So knowing this, we have incite on how to reasonably protect our investments. In the 90's they offered easy winnings. Put your money down on any dot com stock and you cannot lose, at least for a while, until the bubble burst. After that real estate was the bet of choice. Real estate will never go down they said. Bidding wars in sued over already inflated houses and then again the bubble burst.

Now the game is fear. Sell all that you have and place your chips on Gold, at sky high prices. After viewing that video did you consider that? Ask yourself, is Celente your friend? Glenn Beck and others who preach Gold? No my friend, stay diverse. Yes you will lose in some investments but will gain in others. If the Capitalist are really in control, then you will not lose everything because they need suckers like us. However, if a corrupt government is behind all this, then heaven help us, because we are in for a nasty ride.

The Capitalists don't want to rule over us, they just want to make money MG.

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Why do lobbyist out number Congress persons 10 to 1?

Why do lobbyist help write the legislation?

The lobbyist prostitutes are in the same bed as the Congress prostitutes, and the mainstream and rightwing media prostitutes give them cover.

Obama Should Veto Empire Over Republic
December 3, 2011 / by Lt. Col. Coleen Rowley ret. / http://tinyurl.com/cxlc2wy
The political, military industrial, corporate class in Washington DC continues to re-make our constitutional republic into a powerful, unaccountable military empire. Yesterday the U.S. Senate voted 93 to 7 to pass the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2012 which allows the military to operate domestically within the borders of the United States and to possibly (or most probably) detain U.S. citizens without trial. Forget that the ACLU called it "an historic threat to American citizens", this bill is so dangerous not only to our rights but to our country's security that it was criticized by the Directors of the FBI, the CIA, the National Intelligence Director and the U.S. Defense Secretary! For the first time in our history, if this Act is not vetoed, American citizens may not be guaranteed their Article III right to trial.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/12/03-5

Please omit Lt. Col ret. in above post.

I got confused with Karen Kwiatkowski.

"The lobbyist prostitutes are in the same bed as the Congress prostitutes, and the mainstream and rightwing media prostitutes give them cover." -Caspian

Caspian, so do you think the Capitalists or the Lobbyists only lobby Congress? Again, their goal is to make money. So they lobby us as well. They will trick us, entice us, preach doom and gloom and promise us the world but they have no control over us unless we decide to buy into their scheme. It is the same with Congress, they have the power and the ability to ignore the lobbyists but they irresponsibly or selfishly choose not to. The lobbyists have no power to legislate, only government and only government has power over us.

As for Celente, he seems to be a Capitalist highly leveraged in Gold options and would stand to lose a lot of money if the economy were to get better because Gold would certainly drop. Given the recent news of unemployment numbers getting better preaching doom and gloom might buy him enough time to unload his Gold positions. You should know by now that is the way Capitalists think. Do you believe him? Is he a modern day Paul Revere that cares about us or is he protecting himself? That is something You and I must decide on our own and take the appropriate action according to what we believe. Ultimately we are responsible for whatever action or inaction we decide to take.

"Yesterday the U.S. Senate voted 93 to 7 to pass the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2012" - Caspian

Caspian, good reporting, finally an issue Tea party and OWS can agree with. Just hearing about this bill, what happened to open government? Are the Paul's the only ones in government that care about the rights of the people!? McCain should be ashamed of himself voting for this.

"Sen. Rand Paul Defends American Citizens Against Indefinite Detainment"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rghhz_t5POo&feature=youtu.be

Caspian, good reporting, finally an issue Tea party and OWS can agree with MG

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Excellent video by Rand Paul.

I have been saying this for many years now.

There are only a small handful of honest conservatives and honest liberals in Washington DC.

The U.S. Senate voted 93 to 7 to pass the National Defense Authorization Act proves this beyond all and any doubt.

In 2008 there were only 3 people running for president that are part of the small handful I am talking about.

Ron Paul was the only Republican and Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel were the only Democrats.

All the rest were corporatist hacks.

This list included Hillary, Obama, Biden, Dodd, McCain, Rudy, Romney, Palin, et cetera.

The lobbyists have no power to legislate, only government and only government has power over us. MG

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Your statement is absolutely false.

The liberals/Labor lost everything with Obama/Biden.

Obamacare is a Republican Health Care Plan just like Romney implemented, and Bob Dole had the same template before him.

Liberals did not get Public Option.

Liberals did not get Medicare For All Single Payer.

Liberals did not get affordable College.

Liberals did not get affordable Housing.

Liberals did not get lower property taxes.

Liberals did not get bailed out like Wall Street did. Remember Bush Tarp?

Liberals did not get lower prescription drugs.

Obama is the third term of Bush/Cheney.

Remember the Trillions and Trillions for Wars?

How about the Billions and Billions of waste and fraud in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Those two wars cost Americans our freedoms and treasures right here at home.

YES, MG, lobbyist do help write the legislation.

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Do you believe him? Is he a modern day Paul Revere that cares about us or is he protecting himself? MG

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I totally believe him because most everything he says comes to fruition.

Check out his history.

I am not interested in his personal finances or his endorsement of gold.

The fat cats in Congress are people (in the know) but will never tell you the truth like Celente does.

No one is perfect and nobody has all the answers, but people like Celente comes much closer to the truth.

What is that expression? You eat the fish but spit out the bones.

Spy Agency Sought U.S. Call Records Before 9/11, Lawyers Say
http://tinyurl.com/egle8 June 30

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VERIZON & AT&T SPY ON ALL THEIR CUSTOMERS
Telecom Whistleblower Discovers Circuit that Allows Access to All Systems on Wireless Carrier—Phone Calls, Text Messages, Emails and More / April 10, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/4u8nla

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AT&T Whistleblower Urges Against Immunity for Telecoms in Bush Spy Program / July 07, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/7m7s6q

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NSA Whistleblower Alleges Illegal Spying
Former Employee Admits to Being a Source for The New York Times
Jan. 10, 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/ab2gc

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Whistleblower: NSA spied on everyone, targeted journalists
January 21, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/cmj6fe

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Report: U.S. spied on Americans' intimate conversations abroad
October 9, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/4f7zqv

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NSA Analyst: All Americans Were Spied On
24 January 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/d7tjj5

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U.S. Government Monitored All Americans: Faxes, Phone Calls, Emails and Internet Communications
January 22, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/bcbz8s

TARP This: Paulson's Bailout Plan Riddled With Deception

How a Program To Save The Economy Ended Up Enriching Big Banks
December 23, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/8cfg2b
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/12/23-4

When You Go Conservative Black, You Better Watch Your Back:

December 2, 2011

With the mainstream media giddily reporting on an alleged affair involving Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain, how long can it be before they break the news that their 2004 vice presidential candidate conceived a “love child” with his mistress, Rielle Hunter?

The left is trying to destroy Cain with a miasma of hazy accusations leveled by three troubled women. Considered individually, the accusations are utterly unbelievable. They are even less credible taken together. This is how liberals destroy a man, out of nothing.

After the first round of baseless accusations against Cain, an endless stream of pundits rolled out the cliche — as if it were the height of originality — “This isn’t he said-she said; it’s he-said, she-said, she-said, she-said, she–said.”

Au contraire: We had two “shes” and only one “said.”

Remember? Only two women were willing to give their names. And as soon as they did, we discovered that they were highly suspicious accusers with nothing more than their personal honor to support the allegations. Only one of the two would even say what Cain allegedly did.

The first one was Sharon Bialek, who claimed that Cain grabbed her crotch in a car.

Then we found out Bialek was in constant financial trouble, had been involved in a paternity lawsuit, was known as a “gold digger,” had a string of debts and had twice filed for personal bankruptcy. Also, she admitted she knew Obama’s dirty tricks specialist, David Axelrod, from living in the same building with him.

Her personal history is relevant because she produced no evidence. We had to take her word. (Which was not helped by seeing her standing with Gloria Allred.)

The second one, Karen Kraushaar, made unspecified allegations of a “hostile environment” when she was working for Cain, but refuses to say what those allegations were. This despite the fact that the National Restaurant Association waived her confidentiality agreement, thus allowing her to go public.

That’s one “she,” but no “said.”

Cain said he had once told Kraushaar she was as tall as his wife — which would be one of the more worthy sexual harassment claims settled by an American company in recent years.

Why won’t she say? We’re not talking about rape. Kraushaar can’t say, “I don’t want to relive being told I was the same height as his wife!” With all the nonsense that passes for a “hostile environment,” either Kraushaar tells us what Cain allegedly did, or her blind accusation is worth less than nothing.

As if that weren’t enough, then it turned out that Kraushaar had also filed a complaint at her next job just three years later, charging that a manager had circulated a sexually explicit joke email comparing computers to men and women. She demanded a raise and the right to work at home.

Maybe Kraushaar is the most unlucky woman in the world. But the simpler explanation is that she is not a credible witness on the workplace atmosphere.

And now we have Ginger White stepping forward to claim that she had a 13-year affair with Cain. Cain admits he was friends with White, but he categorically, adamantly denies having an affair with her.

White has the whole combo-platter of questionable accuser attributes: She’s another financially troubled, twice-divorced, unemployed single mother, who has claimed sexual harassment in the past, declared bankruptcy once, was accused of stalking and had a libel judgment entered against her just this year. So far in 2011, she’s had nine liens put on her property.

But we’re supposed to ignore all of that because she’s the third woman of questionable character to make an implausible allegation. Liberals say there’s a pattern, but the only pattern is of their making far-fetched accusations of a sexual nature against Cain.

White’s proof that she had a 13-year affair is that she has two of Cain’s books signed by him — one with the incriminating inscription, “Friends are forever! Everything else is a bonus,” and the other, “Miss G, you have already made a ‘big difference!’ Stay focused as you pursue your next destination.” (I know — filthy!)

If that’s proof of an affair, I’ve had thousands of them without even realizing it.

Also, White produced evidence that Cain had texted or called her cell phone 61 times during four non-consecutive months — but did not reveal what those texts said. (“Would you please return my lawn mower?”)

Again, if that’s proof of an affair, I’m having hundreds of them at this very moment.

This is the sort of evidence you get with an actual sexual predator: Bill Clinton’s accusers had gifts, taped phone conversations with him and a semen-stained dress.

Gennifer Flowers produced taped telephone calls with Clinton totaling thousands of words between them, with him counseling her on how to deny their affair: “If they ever hit you with it, just say no, and go on. There’s nothing they can do … But when they — if somebody contacts you, I need to know … All you got to do is deny it.”

Paula Jones had multiple same-day witnesses — including the state troopers who worked for Clinton and had already told the press about a “Paula” they brought to Clinton’s hotel room. And that was for a single incident.

Monica Lewinsky had lots of gifts from Clinton, including a hat pin, two brooches, a marble bear figurine, a T-shirt from Martha’s Vineyard and Walt Whitman’s “Leaves of Grass,” all of which she mysteriously placed with Clinton’s secretary, Betty Currie, during the investigation, as well as a semen-stained dress, which Monica kept.

Ginger White claims she had a 13-year affair with Cain — and all she has are two books with inscriptions that could have been written to an auto mechanic who waited in line at a Cain book signing. Even her business partner during the alleged affair says White never mentioned Cain’s name.

These women are like triple-A ball players with the stats being: number of bankruptcies, smallest bank account, number of liens, most false claims, number of children out of wedlock, degrees of separation from David Axelrod, total trips to human resources and so on.

That wouldn’t be dispositive — except for the fact that their only evidence is their word.

But this is how liberals dirty you up when they’ve got nothing: They launch a series of false accusations, knowing that Americans with busy lives won’t follow each story to the end and notice that they were all blind alleys.

The liberal media is an old story, but it’s still a big story when it comes to creating the impression of scandal out of thin air.

Most people say, “Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.” I say, “Where there’s smoke around a conservative, there are journalists furiously rubbing two sticks together.”

Eight years of accusations against Bill Clinton, smoke and mirrors, otherwise known as partisan dirty tricks. The magnitude of the effort expended to fight party wars could have built a bunch of Hoover Dams.

Should the payroll tax cut be extended?

-only if one wants to bancrupt social security earlier.

"YES, MG, lobbyist do help write the legislation." - Caspian

No sir, they don't have that authority. They don't have the power to vote on bills and they don't have the power to pass legislation. All they can do is influence our representatives. And if our representatives employed and empowered by government can be influenced by someone or something other then us to pass laws that we must adhere to, then the problem is government.

No sir, they don't have that authority. MG
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Yes sir they do. They have a seat at the table while the rest of the 300 million Americans do not.

If anyone really believes the Congress truly represents them, then I have a Bridge in Brooklyn I'm selling.

Almost everything passed in Congress benefits the wealthy few and not the masses of Americans.

The wars in the Middle East.

The Bush tax cuts.

The Bush Medicare Part D.

The Bush Tarp.

The Clinton/Newt NAFTA.

The Clinton/Newt Telecommunications bill.

The Clinton/Newt Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which destroyed Glass/Steagall.

The Obama/Romney Health Care.

The Obama bailouts for Wall Street and NOT for citizens who lost homes.

Just to name a few of the BIG TICKET Items.

"If anyone really believes the Congress truly represents them, then I have a Bridge in Brooklyn I'm selling."-Caspian

Caspian, I am not saying they are doing a good job of representing us and that is what the problem is. What I am saying is, it is ALL in CONGRESS / GOVERNMENTS CONTROL to pass proper legislation. Otherwise, we the people, should forget about government all together and just contact a lobbyist and ask them to pass legislation.

There are 3 scenarios:

A) Government is walking down the street and gets mugged by a lobbyist, unable to defend itself, it hands over the peoples money.

B) Government mistakenly is persuaded by lobbyists to do things that benefit the wealthy few and think that somehow will help us but turns out to not be an overall benefit to our society.

C) Government corruptly and for selfish reasons are enticed to listen to lobbyists over the people, knowing full well it will likely hurt the people.

If you believe A is true, then you might also be interested in buying a tunnel I will sell you, so you never have to pay another toll. If you believe B and/or C are true, then you can only honestly conclude the problem is government.

MikeG: RE: LOBBYISTS
Wrong. ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!! YOU COULDN'T BE ANY FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH THAN IF YOU JUST LANDED ON THIS PLANET. My goodness man, wake up. It's not like this information isn't readily available to everyone.
Me thinks denials of convenience are fast becoming a pattern these days, Mike.
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RE: YOUR POST- Permalink 12/03/11 @ 03:07
There is a real world, and it exists just below your ivory tower.

Senate Passes Bill Allowing Indefinite Detention of Americans ... Considers Bill Authorizing More Torture

John McCain Martial Law Middle East national security-


By Washington’s Blog
The Senate passed a bill today allowing indefinite detention of American citizens living within the U.S.

While some have claimed that this is incorrect, and that American citizens would be exempted from the indefinite detention within U.S. borders authorized by the Act, the Committee chairman who co-sponsored the bill – Carl Levin – stated today in Senate debate that it could apply to American citizens.

Levin cited the Supreme Court case of Hamdi which ruled that American citizens can be treated as enemy combatants:

“The Supreme Court has recently ruled there is no bar to the United States holding one of its own citizens as an enemy combatant,” said Levin. “This is the Supreme Court speaking.“

Under questioning from Rand Paul, co-sponsor John McCain said that Americans suspected of terrorism could be sent to Guantanamo.

You can hear the statements from Levin and McCain on today’s broadcast of KFPA’s Letters and Politics.

As Raw Story notes:



The provision would authorize the military to indefinitely detain individuals — including U.S. citizens — without charge or trial.



“If these provisions pass, we could see American citizens being sent to Guantanamo Bay,” Rand said in the video. “This should be alarming to everyone watching this proceeding today. Because it puts every single American citizen at risk.”



“There is one thing and one thing only protecting innocent Americans from being detained at will at the hands of a too-powerful state — our Constitution, and the checks we put on government power,” he continued. “Should we err today and remove some of the most important checks on state power in the name of fighting terrorism, well, then the terrorists have won.”



“Detaining citizens without a court trial is not American." ... "Detaining citizens without a court trial is not American." ... “Detaining citizens without a court trial is not American." ... "Detaining citizens without a court trial is not American." ... GOT IT, MIKE??? In fact, this alarming arbitrary power is reminiscent of Egypt’s ‘permanent’ Emergency Law authorizing preventive indefinite detention, a law that provoked ordinary Egyptians to tear their country apart last spring and risk their lives to fight.”

The debate is also being streamed live on CSpan-2.

While passage of the bill "would make the Founding Fathers roll in their grave", it might not change that much. As former constitutional lawyer Glenn Greenwald notes:

With very few exceptions, the McCain-Levin bill, awful though it is, doesn’t create any powers beyond what the Obama Admin thinks it now has.

Indeed, the U.S. has been a de facto police state for many years.

“A MIDDLE EAST DICTATORSHIP HAS MORE DEMOCRATIC ACCOUNTABILITY FOR ABUSE OF POWER, INCLUDING TORTURE, THAN THE US UNDER OBAMA”


****The same Senate is now considering a bill to repeal the prohibitions against torture:

The ACLU and over 30 other organizations sent a letter to the Senate asking them to oppose an effort in Congress that threatens to revive the use of torture and other inhumane interrogation techniques. If passed, an amendment introduced by Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) to the Defense Authorization bill would roll back torture prevention measures that Congress overwhelmingly approved in the 2005 McCain Anti-Torture Amendment, as well as a 2009 Executive Order on ensuring lawful interrogations. It would also require the administration to create a secret list of approved interrogation techniques in a classified annex to the existing interrogation field manual.

In a related development, republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann renewed her attack on the prohibition of waterboarding and other forms of torture ….

Glenn Greenwald pointed out last week:
Andrew Sullivan … today noted that the U.S. under Obama imposes even less accountability for abuse of power and war crimes than does Bahrain:
Bahrain’s Sunni government promised “no immunity” for anyone suspected of abuses and said it would propose creating a permanent human rights watchdog commission. “All those who have broken the law or ignored lawful orders and instructions will be held accountable,” said a government statement, which says the report acknowledges that the “systematic practice of mistreatment” ended shortly after martial law was repealed on June 1.
As Andrew put it: “So a Middle East dictatorship has more democratic accountability for abuse of power, including torture, than the US under Obama.” Beyond things like this and the facts set forth in the last paragraph here, perhaps Andrew could use today’s post of his to help clear up the towering mystery he raised yesterday of liberal disenchantment with Obama. That American war criminals are being aggressively shielded from any and all accountability is not an ancillary matter but one of enduring historical significance.
That’s okay, though, because – according to top military, intelligence and civilian experts on interrogation – torture:
(1) Doesn’t produce actionable intelligence
(2) Reduces national security
(3) Creates more terrorists
(4) And is only useful for:
(A) Producing false confessions; and
(B) As a way of terrorizing the population

If you believe B and/or C are true, then you can only honestly conclude the problem is government. MG.

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Not at all because the problem is ( D ).

Your A,B,C does not apply Mike G.

D. The Government and Wall Street are one and the same which means Fascism or Socialism for the wealthiest.

C. Republicans are Gangsters.

B. Democrats are Racketeers.

A. All they care about is the next election and where is the money coming from. Congress works half a year and the other half Raising Funds.

P.S. JOHN, MG is with us and against the Defense Authorization bill.

The Emergency Constitution
3/5/2004 /
Terrorist attacks will be a recurring part of our future. The balance of
technology has shifted, making it possible for a small band of zealots to
wreak devastation where we least expect it—not on a plane next time, but
with poison gas in the subway or a biotoxin in the water supply. The attack
of September 11 is the prototype for many events that will litter the twentyfirst
century. We should be looking at it in a diagnostic spirit: What can we
learn that will permit us to respond more intelligently the next time around?
If the American reaction is any guide, we urgently require new
constitutional concepts to deal with the protection of civil liberties.
Otherwise, a downward cycle threatens: After each successful attack,
politicians will come up with repressive laws and promise greater
security—only to find that a different terrorist band manages to strike a few
years later.1 This disaster, in turn, will create a demand for even more
repressive laws, and on and on. Even if the next half-century sees only four
or five attacks on the scale of September 11, this destructive cycle will
prove devastating to civil liberties by 2050.

Caspian, so if we can agree that your A,B,C,D are accurate, it does not change any of my statements. It still makes government the problem. It still means government must change. Suppose there were no lobbyist, no wealthy or no wall street. The so called corrupt and self centered players in control would turn to other powers, like special interests, big Unions, other nations and so on, to get what they want, at the expense of we the people.

Our problems can only be solved by limiting a corrupt government or electing representatives that serve all citizens.

Our problems can only be solved by limiting a corrupt government or electing representatives that serve all citizens. MG.

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Term Limits is a start but the system is corrupt because of PAY TO PLAY.

Big Pharma, Big Oil, Big Banks, Big Insurance, etc, etc, etc, have a seat at the table in Washington DC because of Pay To Play.

MG & Caspian never had representation right along with most Americans.

We had the same problems back in the 1880s with Big Business running Washington DC and many State Houses all across America.

Even corrupt Hollywood gave us a glimpse of truth with Mr. Smith goes to Washington.

Enjoy the movie with some popcorn.

LOL

MikeG:

CONGRESSMAN SHERMAN WALL ST BANKERS WOULD DECLARE "MARTIAL LAW" IN AMERICA IF BAILOUTS TO CHINA AND FOREIGN BANKS ARE NOT APPROVED - OCT 2, 2008
Sites Goldman Sachs, the Fed Reserve buy the toxic assets of China and foreign bankers, cites the need for protections of regular commercial banks who had no hand in the 2007 meltdown.
Bonuses to these select firms was an evident byproduct that couldn't be addressed, and the threats that were issued to those in Congress to both parties members who opposed the bailout w/o those much needed revisions, amounts without a doubt to an impotent government controlled by "CORPORATE FASCISM" and extortions facilitated by MSM "propaganda". GOVERNMENT IS JUST THE TOOL THAT STIRS THE TOXIC ELIXER OF NWO'S DESIGNS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6KRXnYgu5I

2nd video- Goes into details about an impending 2013 collapse which would be caused by the financing of those the GS Fed financed. Concerned members of both parties united in this effort to short circuit this inevitability- which is already here now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6KRXnYgu5I

WATCH THE REST ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE, YOURSELVES.

Now you know why I've been bitching non-stop about the banksta's hoarding trillions that have prevented businesses and entrepeneurs from flourishing. Without these boa's controls constricting our economy, instead of expanding it. WHERE'S THE PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION OF THE 16TRILLION THAT WE NOW KNOW THAT THE GOLDMAN SACHS FED LENT TO THEIR CO-CONSPIRITORS. WHY HASN'T IT REACHED THE STREETS? WHERE ARE THE JOBS?
NOW THEY PROPOSED A UNIVERSAL 2.5-6 PERCENT INFLATIONS WORLDWIDE AFTER THEY'VE ALREADY FLATLINED ECONOMIC GROWTH FOR EVERYONE ELSE OUTSIDE OF THEIR CIRCLES.
HOW SLICK IS THAT?
IF YOU TRY TO SAVE YOU LOSE UNDER CURRENT INTEREST RATES.
IF YOU VENTURE INTO THE MARKET THE GOLDMAN SACHS RING AND THE FED ITSEELF WILL BET AGAINST YOUR INVESTMENT AS WELL AS YOUR AUTOMATIC DEDUCTIONS FOR SOCIAL SECURITY. YOU KNOW DARN WELL HOW THAT HAS WORKED OUT.

Thanks Goldman Sachs. Thanks Bilderbergers, Thanks Trilaterals, and Thanks to all of those handpicked CFR zips, and Dept of Commerce changlings from the lobbyist revolving door hellbent upon destroying our nation for their sickly perverted concepts for totalitarian NWO.

NWO Headlines-
CHILD TAKEN AWAY FROM PARENTS- "overweight"- cited as governmental responcibility. WHAT'S NEXT?

Nat'l Defense Bill- private industrys K Street and C Street covens turn the screws on their marks to authorize gov't to act on their behalf against our citizens.

Goldman Sachs dominates the world scene.
Own the Fed, zapped the pensions of government and first responder pensions. MSM plays the tune and calls these thefts isolated. Congress reinforces the notion that nothing can or should be done about it by issing a few million dollar summons.
Tinkered and threw the monkey wrench in Greece, that wiped out that economy. Now in control all of Italy's entire economy and debt, have controlled the finances of the Catholic Church since the new pope took over...
GS as Federal Reserve siphoners. $16trillion vaporized??? Money, money dispersed everywhere but, not a cent to be spent here. *MSM and Republicans on the tab echo that mindless tune.
Then there's that dismantling of the constitution and our rights as Americans that the Dumbocrats and their dysfunctional cast of characters from Geithner to Bernanke, Ben Nelson etal. are promoting.
"We the people" are under constant and persistant attack, being tri-angulated from those high above and lurking in the shadows. Now fearing resistance they want "absolute power" and military police state protections.Hmmmmmmmm!

Why do you presume that the middle class is against the marginal millionaires who only serve as a buffer for those so removed from reality as the globalist billionaire? Nothing could be further form the truth.
Can't you see that if you aren't already an "insider" that your status is next for their grist mills once the middle class and it's resisters are...???

"Nat'l Defense Bill- private industrys K Street and C Street covens turn the screws on their marks to authorize gov't to act on their behalf against our citizens."- John

John, here is a different version of NWO. It relates NWO to Biblical prophecy and includes many of the same players that you often write about, EXCEPT it is "massive collectivist government" that is turning the screws and not private industry. It is no less compelling then your version. So how do you explain the differences?

The New World Order
http://www.jeremiahproject.com/newworldorder/

"Bigger Government
America's economy is collapsing as she has jettisoned her strength through independence and has bound herself to a failed global economy...

Originally created to defend and protect, our government was now being asked to provide. As the problems grow, so must the government. Traditionally, Democrats have stood for big government, far-reaching federally controlled and federally funded programs and taxation at levels to match. One has to only scan through a few of Clinton's policies in economic, spending, and tax strategy to see that sovereignty and freedom were the items actually targeted for reduction...

We have witnessed over the past 100 years an ever increasing collectivist inspired transfer of wealth and a federal government takeover of the management of American business, health care, education and the American family. The agenda of creating an entirely new society controlled by a massive collectivist government is now clearly evident. George W. Bush flexed the collectivist muscle to bring the American population under the controlling wing of a government police state as he allowed the International banksters to siphon off Trillions of dollars of American assets, and..."

That's simple Mike. "We the people" must regain control over the "tool" known as government, by a legitimate and peaceful means "uniting as one" just as prophetized not only for the 99% but for everyone. Achieving the "balance" that rights the ship.
At least one of the of the hurdles that remain are those who are paralyzed inert and intractable because of their fears of venturing into the unknown, or transfixed by possessions. And those who want to see absolute perfection and purity- anything less than 100% squeaky clean purposes and movements manned by fellow human beings.
Even God and the Good lord himself didn't demand that of those he called to return to past glory. Free will, had it's price. Fears, courage and imperfection are our inheritances. What we do with these "tools" or allow them to do to us, is up to us.
Gee, it's about time that you've recognized the convergence and inseperability of the physical/metaphysical matrixes in our times, the possible clash or merger of reconciliation in these our times, between those who outweigh the glorys of the material values and egotistical behaviors in the world that they are attempting to create by for only themselves and a select few by every deceitful, despicable and horrid method that they can choreograph and imagine... war, distrust, mayhem, terror,
...versus the spiritual, family and community values- found in the Good Teachings passed down through the ages, which taught the graces and prudence of valuing all life and nature on the only home we have- this our mother, EARTH.
Do we choose to pollute the womb which affects all of our lives for pleasure, convenience and most of all unbridaled corporate profit.
Whereas the human spirit, propelled these days, only by conscience or what we were taught by our elders. From this we know to act "instinctively" without fear or hesitation alone and in unison whenever disaster strikes, or when the helpless need assistance. Miracles are achieved merely by casting aside prejudices, setting aside possessions temporarily for the greater good whenever natural disaster occurs. We improvise and make do when money is not a commodity of usefullness required in emergencys with good faith interaction and transactions which in return oft times fuse lifetimes with bonded loyalties that are multiplied as the Good lord illustrated many times over.

How many parables, have you heard that were told of the rich man, whose loyalties and respect that he had gained by acts of kindness, helped him immeasureably in increasing his good fortunes?

Submitting to fears and fiscal tortures works for the NWO's diabolical minority that offers as its solution these systematic purges and the inevitability of us the collective to surrender our will to their wiles.
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Believing that humanity, this family of man, can come together under the teachings and tutelage of the Good lord brings us all toward that age old enlightenment is key to our survival and good faith determinations to resist the surrender of our individual/collective freedoms to choose for ourselves, who we do business with or choose as our leaders in the future.
IS THE TOOL OF "UNIFIED PASSIVE RESISTANCE" BE OUTLAWED TO FACILITATE EVEN GREATER CORPORATE FISCAL TYRANNY WHICH WILL SOON BE AIDED AND ABETTED BY MILITARY FASCISM and IMPRISONMENTS...

a)Taboo-, as decreed by the MSM high priests/priestess's as a non-starter, anti-capitalist and communistic perversion of the material values ethic at its roots, and a must for all to reject as a prerequisite homage to the deceivers now in total control of the economy.
b)Sacred Contract- by our forefathers as written in our "Bill of Rights"

Imagine if you can, what mankind could truly accomplish united as one as lived and practiced by the Good lord toward a healthy and well nourished populace on an unpolluted earth, with well adjusted and well educated inhabitants that can provide the research, leadership, that works with and for the betterment of all.
Does a new tomorrow where everyman benefits from the ending of an economy based upon war profiteering, and the short term profits that certain businesses use to promote that pollute our environment and our families appear to be endeavors worthy of participation. Are peace and tranquility the beginnings of our ultimate awakenings to live together as brothers, respectful and compassionate of each others inequities as well as our talents nourishing the earth reveling as in Eden in the wonderous existence that all of Gods creations have to offer the first step of independence from enslavement toward that heavenly existence meant not only to be enjoyed by the intolerant few but, redefined by our collective, as a greater good-

Instead, empty your heads of that endless toxic mess spewed from politicans the MSM propaganda machine as our the only way to save and preserve economic salvation as sent to us by those enslavers of the human spirit which now pollute every fiber of our ears and senses with dysfunction. Negativitys and endless drivel that pull us apart with "fears" that separate and keep us from uniting-

I know that you most probably won't agree. You like the systems that have enabled you to succeed. The idea of a world of Winners and losers deeply ingrained. Same as I when it comes to sports and the determination to focus upon and overcome what at first is perceived as an undefeatable challenge or an unsolvable enigma to come up with a formula or compromise where all involved in tghe process can profit from and succeed- learning and living up to life's challenges extracting the most and expecting the greatest potentials in the experience.

As the Moody Blues once sang in the universal language of song- It's A Question of Balance.

http://vodpod.com/watch/3659190-the-moody-blues-balance
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Consider and enjoy the music and the lyrics within this website that bring you along on a trip toward heightened awareness and reminders of our destined responcibilities. Tune out lame stream medias haunts, taunts, and fears.

Caspian: Enjoy!

Bill F: Be Careful this stuff is not only a potent antidote of violent anti-social behaviors. It's contagious.

Caspian: Enjoy!

"That's simple Mike. "We the people" must regain control over the "tool" known as government, by a legitimate and peaceful means "uniting as one..."- Spirit

"What we do with these "tools" or allow them to do to us, is up to us." - Spirit

John, I submit to you the beast is not a one-headed beast but two. The Big Corporate greedy "head" that can only harm us by using this "tool" called big government and the "head" of big government itself. Show me where in the bible does Jesus command that the rich should feed the beast of big government in order to help the poor? He gives each of us the freedom to decide for ourselves. The responsible individual chooses to help his brother and sister in need. He chooses to use the power of a united community to increase that effort. He is not strong armed by those that would use this tool called government to advance their ideal world. In modern times most human suffering has been implemented through the power of authoritarian government and not by the hands of individuals. Government is like the ring in the movie "Lord of the Rings." If man could control it like our founders did, it can be a great benefit to mankind. Unfortunately, no one is worthy to wear the ring, certainly not the greedy Capitalist, yet neither are the progressive idealists. The way WE control the tool of government is by not allowing it to become too big and therefore, uncontrollable.

So I offer you the same words to ponder as you offered me:

"Just open your eyes,
And realize, the way it's always been.
Just open your mind
And you will find
The way it's always been.
Just open your heart
And that's a start."

http://vodpod.com/watch/3659190-the-moody-blues-balance
John

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Beautiful words.

I never heard of that song.

Yale research shows that people with an egalitarian, communitarian world-view tend to accept global warming and are concerned by it, while people with a hierarchical, individualistic world-view tend to deny global warming and are concerned by the danger to corporate and personal profits if policies addressing global warming are put into place. In an article in the Nation Magazine for November 28, 2011 issue, Naomi Klein expressed it by saying “climate denialism has become a core identity issue on the right, utterly entwined with defending current systems of power and wealth.” Because the results of climate change can be disastrous for –no exaggeration- billions of people, ”climate change makes some kind of left-wing revolution virtually inevitable.”

Denier James Delingpole said “Modern environmentalism successfully advances many of the causes dear to the left: redistribution of wealth, higher taxes, greater governmental intervention, regulation.” Joseph Bast, president of free-market think thank Heartland Institute said “Climate change …is the reason why we should do everything (the left) wanted to do anyway.”

While climate change is a physical threat for so many, it is an existential threat to conservative ideology. It “detonates the ideological scaffolding on which contemporary conservatism rests.” (Klein) Combine this with the upset to the current financial paradigm that has to occur, and climate change will surely be denied with the same desperate intensity as any last ditch military battle for survival. While the real hardcore deniers are a small minority of the population, “this demographic is massively overrepresented in positions of power. But the solution to that problem is not for the majority of people to change their ideas and values. It is to attempt to change the culture so that this small but disproportionately influential minority –and the reckless worldview it represents- wields significantly less power.” (Klein) What is needed is not a set of policy changes that can be blocked by bribes, but the rise among the world’s people of an alternative worldview, one that values and nurtures a public sphere that rewards cooperation and mutual interdependence rather than hyper-individualistic hierarchy.

We know, for instance, that the world has been quite able to grow enough food for all its people. Where starvation occurs in famine-stricken areas, it is because profiteers intercept charitable aid,-not because we cannot grow enough or care enough. (So, Mike G, trusting a charity, believing it to be the best way to supply needed relief, has no influence on the actions of profit-seekers. A strong outside government could assert moral good and hand-deliver aid without permission from those who would profit from disaster.) What we are physically capable of doing, and what we are ethically compelled to do, we are prevented from doing by the arbitrary rules of our current system,-rules that set some imaginary currency as the be-all and end-all of everything, rules that say who is allowed to take all this currency from everybody else and use it to buy legislators to perpetuate these rules. Seeds will grow without this currency, without the rules regulating its use. Seeds will grow without the permission of corrupted legislators. Seeds will grow locally, without the need for a transnational corporation to profit. Heirloom seeds do beautifully; patented seeds, pushed by corrupted legislators, are pure theft and an insult. Food is as basic a human right as there is. Being provided with a stake at the gambling table (“being provided with opportunity”) is not. Evolve away from greed, from this ethic of pay-up-or-die, and toward an ethic of let’s do what we need to so that no one is starving while the rest of us are eating, and forget about this silly currency racket,-and we’ll be so much better off in the ways that matter.

Evolve away from the notion of grow-or-die,-keep on increasing economic activity, increasing profits, for ever and ever, no matter the cost to the planet and its people, this notion that enables the elites to forever defer social justice by claiming (wink, wink) that “if we keep growing the pie, eventually there will be enough for everyone” –and evolve toward a new kind of economy that makes the old economy superfluous- and we’ll be so much better off. The societal ethos for this new economy has always been in us; it keeps rearing its beautiful, noble and loving head whenever there is need and the idiocy of the currency notion is forgotten. We have the heart for it; now we just have to cultivate the mind for it.

MQ, I except climate change but not so much that man has caused it or that man can do much to correct it. Yes, the nature of the profiteer is to deny anything that might cost him profits. But the nature of the big government Left is to never pass up a chance for more government intervention, regulations or control in the lives of free minded responsible individuals who are not in it for profit.

You claim, “starvation occurs in famine-stricken areas because profiteers intercept charitable aid.” I haven’t heard that one. I have heard where corrupt foreign governments steal the aid meant for the starving in really poor countries.

So I have a question that will examine your intentions. If man could successfully plant those seeds and feed the multitudes privately on their own, without having to go through government at all, would you accept that? Let the outcome and results decide what is right. Not the big government ideology of the Left or profits of the Right.

Q: You mentioned a "moral govt" in your post. Where does your 'moral govt' derive its morals from?

Fox News Reports: Ron Paul Poised to Win Iowa Despite His Being Totally Ignored in Republican debates

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1279603118001/could-ron-paul-win-in-iowa/Ron Paul poised to Win Iowa!!!

Ron Paul Wins big in Ohio and on Meet the Press- 15minutes

When the power of love, exceeds the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix

Ron Paul Wins Big in Ohio, and on Meet the Press!





Ron Paul wins Ohio Republican straw poll

Texas Republican congressman Ron Paul has won the latest Republican presidential straw poll.

The Texas Republican, who continues to trail former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney in national polls, captured the support of 53 percent of Ohio Republicans. Former businessman Herman Cain won the support of 26 percent of Republicans voting in the poll. Mr. Romney captured 8 percent in the poll, while the rest of the Republican field captured less than 5 percent.

-Ron Paul on foreign policy
-Acknowledges the similarities in purpose of OWS and Tea Party - AUDIT THE FED!!! Hold its member body cartel accountable.
-Bring our troops and our $$$ home.
-On Israel and the impracticality of Iran declaring war.
-WOULD END INCOME TAX PREFERING AN "UNCAPPED" 1% WEALTH TAX" AS IT'S COUNTER-BALANCING REPLACEMENT. [info shared and accessable on the last board]
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TAXES ON WAGES WAS "UNCONSTITIONAL" BEFORE 1913. Then,... THE FEDERAL RESERVE WAS INCUBATED, AND THE SUCCUBUS FORMED AND WITH IT'S CONJOINED PARTNERS, THE CFR, DEPTS OF COMMERCE, RE-EDUCATION AND ENERGY. America has become enslaved and totally at their mercy.

Heres's a review.
In the mainline media, those who adhere to the position that there is some kind of "conspiracy" pushing us towards a world government are virulently ridiculed. The standard attack maintains that the so-called "New World Order" is the product of turn-of-the-century, right-wing, bigoted, anti-semitic racists acting in the tradition of the long-debunked Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, now promulgated by some Militias and other right-wing hate groups.

The historical record does not support that position to any large degree but it has become the mantra of the socialist left and their cronies, the media.

The term "New World Order" has been used thousands of times in this century by proponents in high places of federalized world government. Some of those involved in this collaboration to achieve world order have been Jewish. The preponderance are not, so it most definitely is not a Jewish agenda.
For years, leaders in education, industry, the media, banking, etc., "have promoted those with the same Weltanschauung (world view) as theirs."
*Of course, someone might say that just because individuals promote their friends doesn't constitute a conspiracy. That's true in the usual sense. However, it does represent an "open conspiracy,"-
as described by noted Fabian Socialist H.G. Wells in The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution (1928).

In 1913, prior to the passage of the Federal Reserve Act President Wilson's The New Freedom was published, in which he revealed:
"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U. S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
-On November 21, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt wrote a letter to Col. Edward Mandell House, President Woodrow Wilson's close advisor:
"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson... "
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WHAT'S NEW ON THEIR AGENDA, AND THE BLUEPRINT FOR THE GAMEPLAN??? Hmmmmmmmm!
You'll just love how everything that is happening just fits into place for the NWO crowd and the Power Elite.

MikeG, the next post that you are about to read- is just for you.

Ron Paul Wins Big in Ohio, and on Meet the Press!





Ron Paul wins Ohio Republican straw poll

Texas Republican congressman Ron Paul has won the latest Republican presidential straw poll.

The Texas Republican, who continues to trail former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney in national polls, captured the support of 53 percent of Ohio Republicans. Former businessman Herman Cain won the support of 26 percent of Republicans voting in the poll. Mr. Romney captured 8 percent in the poll, while the rest of the Republican field captured less than 5 percent.

-Ron Paul on foreign policy
-Acknowledges the similarities in purpose of OWS and Tea Party - AUDIT THE FED!!! Hold its member body cartel accountable.
-Bring our troops and our $$$ home.
-On Israel and the impracticality of Iran declaring war.
-WOULD END INCOME TAX PREFERING AN "UNCAPPED" 1% WEALTH TAX" AS IT'S COUNTER-BALANCING REPLACEMENT. [info shared and accessable on the last board]
==========================

TAXES ON WAGES WAS "UNCONSTITIONAL" BEFORE 1913. Then,... THE FEDERAL RESERVE WAS INCUBATED, AND THE SUCCUBUS FORMED AND WITH IT'S CONJOINED PARTNERS, THE CFR, DEPTS OF COMMERCE, RE-EDUCATION AND ENERGY. America has become enslaved and totally at their mercy.

Heres's a review.
In the mainline media, those who adhere to the position that there is some kind of "conspiracy" pushing us towards a world government are virulently ridiculed. The standard attack maintains that the so-called "New World Order" is the product of turn-of-the-century, right-wing, bigoted, anti-semitic racists acting in the tradition of the long-debunked Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, now promulgated by some Militias and other right-wing hate groups.

The historical record does not support that position to any large degree but it has become the mantra of the socialist left and their cronies, the media.

The term "New World Order" has been used thousands of times in this century by proponents in high places of federalized world government. Some of those involved in this collaboration to achieve world order have been Jewish. The preponderance are not, so it most definitely is not a Jewish agenda.
For years, leaders in education, industry, the media, banking, etc., "have promoted those with the same Weltanschauung (world view) as theirs."
*Of course, someone might say that just because individuals promote their friends doesn't constitute a conspiracy. That's true in the usual sense. However, it does represent an "open conspiracy,"-
as described by noted Fabian Socialist H.G. Wells in The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution (1928).

In 1913, prior to the passage of the Federal Reserve Act President Wilson's The New Freedom was published, in which he revealed:
"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U. S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
-On November 21, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt wrote a letter to Col. Edward Mandell House, President Woodrow Wilson's close advisor:
"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson... "
==================
WHAT'S NEW ON THEIR AGENDA, AND THE BLUEPRINT FOR THE GAMEPLAN??? Hmmmmmmmm!
You'll just love how everything that is happening RIGHT NOW just fits right into place for the NWO crowd and the Power Elite.

MikeG, the next post that you are about to read- is just for you.

Sorry Mike, the post has been met with resistance.

North Korea making missile able to hit U.S.:

Republicans press Pentagon for long-range interceptors

December 5, 2011

New intelligence indicates that North Korea is moving ahead with building its first road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile, an easily hidden weapon capable of hitting the United States, according to Obama administration officials.

The intelligence was revealed in a classified Capitol Hill briefing last month. Its existence was made public in a letter to Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta from five House Republicans.

"As members of the House Armed Services subcommittee on strategic forces ..., we write out of concerns about new intelligence concerning foreign developments in long-range ballistic missile development, specifically ballistic missiles capable of attacking the United States," the Nov. 17 letter said.

"We believe this new intelligence reiterates the need for the administration to correct its priorities regarding missile defenses, which should have, first and foremost, the missile defense of the homeland."

Officials familiar with the intelligence said government analysts believe the missile could be a variant of North Korea's new Musudan intermediate-range missile, first disclosed publicly in October 2010.

Other intelligence indicates that the new ICBM may be under development at a huge missile testing facility on North Korea's western coast.

Prior to its mobile ICBM, North Korea's long-range missiles were the pad-launched Taepodong-1 prototype, and the Taepodong-2 (TD-2) dual-use ICBM and space launcher. The TD-2 was test-launched in April 2009.

'Direct threat'

Mobile missiles are difficult for tracking radar to locate, making them easier to hide. They also can be set up and launched much more quickly than missiles fired from silos or launchpads.

China's military recently deployed two new mobile ICBMs, the DF-31 and DF-31A. It is not known whether North Korea's new mobile missile is based on Chinese technology. China in the past has provided missile technology to North Korea, a fraternal communist ally.

The first indications of Pyongyang's new mobile ICBM were made public in June by Robert M. Gates, who was defense secretary at the time.

After a speech in Singapore, Mr. Gates said, "With the continued development of long-range missiles and potentially a road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile and their continuing development of nuclear weapons, ... North Korea is in the process of becoming a direct threat to the United States."

The new intelligence was discussed during a closed-door briefing in mid-November for the House Armed Services subcommittee on strategic forces and discussed in the letter to Mr. Panetta. The letter did not say specifically that the missile was North Korean, but it quoted Mr. Gates on Pyongyang's mobile ICBM development.

The letter was signed by Rep. Michael R. Turner, Ohio Republican and chairman of the subcommittee; Rep. Mike Rogers, Michigan Republican and chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence; and Republican Reps. Trent Franks of Arizona, Doug Lamborn of Colorado and Mac Thornberry of Texas.

Congressional aides declined to comment on the intelligence.

Administration officials familiar with the missile data said U.S. intelligence analysts have some disagreement over the developments.

Implications for talks

The intelligence on North Korea's progress on a mobile ICBM was disclosed as the Obama administration is seeking to restart the failed six-nation talks on North Korea's nuclear program.

Glyn Davies, special envoy for North Korea, leaves Tuesday for talks in China, Japan and South Korea about North Korea's nuclear program, the State Department announced Monday.

Last week, North Korea issued a government white paper that defended its April 2009 launch of a Taepodong-2 as part of a satellite development program.

Government analysts viewed the statement as an indication that North Korea may be preparing for a missile flight test.

The United Nations imposed unprecedented sanctions on North Korea after a 2009 test of a nuclear device.

Three paths

Details of North Korea's first mobile intermediate-range missile, the Musudan, and the new west coast North Korean launch facility were made public in classified State Department cables on the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks.

A February 2010 cable outlining a U.S.-Russian exchange on missile threats stated that the U.S. government suspects North Korea has three paths to building ICBMs.

One is using the Taepodong-2, with a range of up to 9,300 miles, as its main strategic missile. A second way is to further develop the ranges of existing missiles like the Musudan, and last is to "use the very large launch facility that is being constructed on the west coast of North Korea to launch a very large missile," the cable said.

The cable said the size of the facility is a concern because "it does not simply replicate other sites."

"This facility is much larger than the Taepodong launch facility," the cable said. "This is not to say there is evidence of a new missile system larger than the Taepodong-2 being developed, but it suggests the possibility."

An Oct. 6, 2009, cable on North Korea's missile program said the Musudan intermediate-range missile is based on Russia's SS-N-6 submarine-launched missile that has a range of up to 2,400 miles.

The Musudan uses an advanced liquid propellent called unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine (UDMH) and nitrogen tetroxide (N204) that are easier to store in missiles.

"Development of the Musudan with this more advanced propulsion technology allows North Korea to build even longer-range missiles - or shorter range missiles with greater payload capacity - than would be possible using Scud-type technology," the cable said.

North Korea also has a new solid-fueled short-range missile called the Toksa, with a range of 75 miles, and has sold a number of shorter-range Musudan missiles to Iran, the report said.

'Hedging strategy'

In their letter, the five lawmakers called on the Pentagon to reverse its decision to curb development of long-range ground-based interceptors in favor of European-based missile defenses against Iranian missiles. They also asked for the Pentagon's plan for a "hedging strategy" to be prepared to counter new missile threats like the North Korean mobile ICBM.

"In view of the briefing the subcommittee received this week, we do not believe the United States can afford further delay in the release of the hedging strategy by the Department of Defense," they stated, asking for a report on the strategy by the end of the year.

Asked about the new intelligence, Cmdr. Leslie Hull-Ryde said the Pentagon had nothing to add to Mr. Gates' comments.

"Specific information related to North Korea's development of road-mobile ICBM would be an intelligence matter, and it is our policy not to comment on intelligence matters," she said.

A U.S. intelligence community spokesman referred a reporter's questions about the new intelligence to the February statement to Congress by James Clapper, director of national intelligence.

Mr. Clapper stated in his prepared remarks that "North Korea's progress in developing the TD-2 shows its determination to achieve long-range ballistic missile and space-launch capabilities. If configured as an ICBM, the TD-2 could reach at least portions of the United States; the TD-2 or associated technologies also could be exported."

Gates' prediction

Mr. Gates first told reporters Jan. 11 during a visit to China that North Korea's progress in building intercontinental ballistic missiles was turning the Pyongyang regime into a "direct threat to the United States."

Pressed for details, he said, "I don't think it's an immediate threat, no. But on the other hand, I don't think it's a five-year threat."

"Let me be precise," he added. "I think that North Korea will have developed an intercontinental ballistic missile within that time frame, not that they will have huge numbers or anything like that, but I believe they will have a very limited capability."

The Daily Beast quoted Mr. Gates in June saying, "They are developing a road-mobile ICBM. I never would have dreamed they would go to a road-mobile before testing a static ICBM. It's a huge problem. As we've found out in a lot of places, finding mobile missiles is very tough."

Richard Fisher, a military analyst with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said, "A nuclear armed North Korean road mobile ICBM would pose a spectacular challenge to the U.S.-led alliance system in Northeast Asia, as Pyongyang could severely undermine U.S. extended nuclear deterrence commitments."

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