Is it Exxon's job to care for the homeless?

Is it government's job to turn its back on them?

If government does one thing to aid the people, can it be argued that it must not or should not aid the people in some other area? Especially when such a high percentage of the homeless are war veterans?

Yes, it IS the government's job.

"NJ Tent City: Is it Government’s Job to Care for its Homeless Population?"- RNN

The better question would have been, How should the Government help or how far should the government go?

Provide financial assistance and training for finding a job, provide shelters, provide enough low income housing. All very good initiatives.

Tents on private or public property or endless welfare with no objective or change in the homeless circumstance is not good for anyone. Neither is ignoring the problem and doing nothing.

"Tents" on private or public property or endless welfare with no objective or change in the homeless circumstance is not good for anyone. Neither is ignoring the problem and doing nothing.-MikeG

Neither was government renighing on its promise to prevent foreclosures for homeowners, while the Fed was passing out well over 16Trillion to "too big to fail globalist bankers" and corporates who havewn't paid back their owed and then deferred property taxes from 2007, 2008, 2009 ...but, that's the way we've been set up by the zips heading this shadow government kibuki theatre.

Once "that money" is received, every homeowner in the countrys property taxes, school taxes, state, local and municipal taxes could be lowered and balanced appropriately.

MIKE, ONCE AGAIN YOU'VE FAILED TO ADDRESS "THE CORPORATE WELFARE SYSTEM" THAT IS KEEPING MIDDLE CLASS AMERICA FROM RECEIVING IT'S JUST DUE. SO I THOUGHT IT APPROPRIATE TO FINISH YOUR STATEMENT WITH MUCH NEEDED FACTUAL CONTENT.

Ask yourself why real estate speculators who defaulted on multiple JUMBO LOANS that they didn't occupy were absolved of their obligations to pay or dissolve their assets, while the homeowner who lived in his home with his family was cast into the street for losing their jobs due to the "too big to fails" banksta's, who were RECAPITALIZED W/ PUBLIC FUNDS, failures to retain ADEQUATE AND REQUIRED BY LAW RESERVES THEMSELVES?

Who's zooooooooooming who when asked what is too much government intervention?

Which is it, Mike? Is it the 1% that is in such dire straits that they must "profit" by every devious contraption and closed door loophole that only money can buy. Or is it that the 99% doesn't merit the same consideration?

FACEBOOK HAS BEEN SECRETLY CORPORATE AMERICA'S ENTRAPMENT TOOL TO IMPLIMENT THE HIGHEST FORM OF KBG SURVEILLANCE ON STERIODS UPON ALL OF OUR CITIZENS.

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We know in our minds and hearts what a perfect world can be. Accepting anything less under threats of harm or imprisonment does not preserve our inheritance from imperfect leadership.
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So let's strive to attain it.
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God bless America. Let's go forth in his spirit.

We all get aid. It's arbitrary to separate the massive aid you and I benefit from in the form of roads and the like from aid in the from of food stamps and tent cities. It's political hay-making to declare the aid the well-to-do and the moderately so receive as proper while the poors' aid demands intrusive accounting, invasion of privacy, autocratic paternalism. As a society we need to decide if government policy should be decided by a money-based criterion of personal worthiness and respect, or if such a criterion is a political tool and not a principle. As a society we need to decide if a hands-off government for the well-to-do, and a government for the poor that dictates what they may eat and drink, what they do in their sex lives, and so on,-if this is justifiable and appropriate or if it's political class bias.

If old-style just-give-'em-money liberalism didn't work because it was non-intrusive, and too respectful of individual choices, mightn't it be that non-intrusive governance for the rest of us is a bad idea? If dictating how the poor use their aid has as its purpose to prevent waste from poor choices, shouldn't the rest of us have our own sharp-eyed government bean-counters scrutinizing and dictating our activities?

The old debtors' prison hasn't improved much.

"We all get aid" -Q

And some people need much more aid then others. It is about helping those who need much more aid to be more self sufficient so they won't need as much help. It is better for them and better for society. But big government is not concerned with helping them to be more independent. Instead, some want them to be more dependent on government so government remains relevant.

Do I really have to go through my "teach a man to fish" story again?

"Which is it, Mike? Is it the 1% that is in such dire straits that they must "profit" by every devious contraption and closed door loophole that only money can buy. Or is it that the 99% doesn't merit the same consideration?" -John

John, you are a little too chatty today.

Most of us hard working middle class pay taxes so government is like a bank using our money to make the country work. Now these so called crooks in the 1% did not really steal our money, government gave it to them with no strings attached. So me, being part of the 99% is upset with government and you being part of the 99% is upset with Corporations. Those that lost their houses and those that didn't all got bamboozled equally. Yet some like myself struggle to survive and move on and others like yourself want pay back from ANYBODY that is able to pay. But you refuse to blame government, perhaps it is because you rely on government too much?

Let me tell you a story..

Once upon a time Government represented the people but not anymore. Keep blaming it all on the Corporate machine but that is only a part of the problem. It is the government elite that is the real problem. A government unlike Royalty who want power with exemption from the rules, while they pretend to represent the people. If they represented the people then they would empower the people. The Democrat establishment don't want to empower the people they want the people to rely on government which makes government bigger and even more powerful.The Republican establishment believes the same, as they talk one way and act another. Ultimately both the Democrats and the Republicans play the game and treat us as spectators who don't know any better. The media used to back the people but not any more, they either belong to the Democrats or the Republicans and are used accordingly to rig the game with bias propaganda. Ron Paul is a Libertarian meaning he wants Liberty and empowerment to the people, not the government. This is why neither Republicans or Democrats want him in but the people support him.

John, Ron Paul wants less government.If he ever got in don't expect more government or more entitlements but expect there to be more justice. Is justice good enough for you?

"Big government is not concerned with helping them to be more independent. Instead, some want them to be more dependent on government so government remains relevant."-MG

Mike, this doesn't track. The people who might become dependent are the people least likely to vote, while the people who do vote resent or disapprove of the needy. So aid policy is guided by the people who are least apt to want lots of dependent people. Do you realize how difficult it is today to get welfare, and then to keep it for any length of time? Voter nagging did that.

"Big government" is not a single mind, plotting the aggrandizement of some single identity. Government is hundreds or more separate agencies, employing thousands of separate people with their own interests. The single government mind is the conspiracy theorist's bete noir.

Mike, I am not saying there is some single minded government conspiracy, really I am not.

I am just saying it is better for the person in need to have a job rather then endless assistance. It is better for a person in need to live in low income housing which they help to pay for, rather then live in a tent. You don't agree?

Think about it. The more government can help a person to be self sufficient the better a person's self esteem and the better it is for that individual as well as less cost to society. When I say less cost I don't mean we take the savings and give it to the rich or even the middle class. I mean we give it to those who are unable to help themselves at all.

When I mention big government mentality, I mean a government that does not really care whether or not a person can be self sufficient to make room for those who can't. But instead just figures it will raise more taxes to make up the difference or otherwise ignore those in need all together.

MG: Self-esteem raising through personal accomplishment is desirable. Jobs are better than handouts. Buildings are better than tents.

But I fear there's a bit of razzle-dazzle there. Job training for the least trainable, least employable members of society, especially in an economy so moribund that highly educated, trained applicants remain unemployed, will not put a bowl of cabbage and potatoes on the table, not now, not next year. Spend some money on "job training", to look good, but don't let a soul live on MY dime for a second?

These calls for opportunity rather than debilitating handouts play well as sound bites. Attention to specific cases is important, and- whoops- that makes government more expensive. Better usually means more expensive.

"But I fear there's a bit of razzle-dazzle there." -MQ

Yes I know that Mike. We have been lied too for so long now that there always seems to be some self centered or underlying motive that winds up hurting the intended recipient more in the long run. For that reason it is very hard to change anything because we never know if it will be for the better. I guess that is the same way I feel about Obamacare.

My argument has never been about not spending any money but whether or not we are getting the most bang for the buck. It is not about doing away with public assistance but actually spending more on the right things, like helping the person get a job or be more productive if they are able.

So believe it or not, I actually support government programs and helping all those in need..(shhh don't tell nobody) even if I have to pay more taxes to to make that happen. As long as our tax money is not wasted by poor management or ideas that are politically motivated and not logical.

AMEN to that. 'Nuff said.

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